Comments please on: NAD M23 vs c298 vs. other newer Class D


I'm interested in comments about the new-ish NAD M23 amp. It gets rave reviews on the Absolute Sound channel, by Doug Schneider and by the review at Sound Stage, and by others. Reviews describe not only an even response across frequencies, but layering of the soundstage (left-right and front-back) as well as excellent measurements. Some describe the sound as somewhat tube like in the mids and upper range, others as neutral, but all agree it does not have the harshness which typically characterized reports about earlier amps with this design.

I am not giving up my Pass XA 25, nor my QS Mono 60 tube amps. Or my ST-35 Dynaco. What I'm interested in is a another amp in the stable that can play nicely among different speakers (not all are as sensitive as my main 97db ones), and that might bring that snappy dynamic speed to the sound but without making me cringe from the highs.

If you have some opinion of this Eigentakt design, especially in comparisons to Atma-sphere's Class D or other amps with similar technologies inside, please comment. (PS Audio, Bel Canto, et al.)

If you have some opinion of the NAD M23 vs. the cheaper-but-still-Eigentakt NAD c298, I'm interested in that, too.

I'm NOT interested in super pricey amps. Say, above $8k

hilde45

@hilde45 i hope this is at least a little helpful, even though it will not be exactly what you are looking for.  I owned the original version of the M33 (now there is a V2), which I believe has the same amplification section as the M23 for about 1 year; i used it with a range of speakers including DALI Epicon 6s and Revel F226Bes.  I think the reviews are accurate when it comes to its lack of harshness and its even frequency response.  What i can’t entirely tell you is whether its overall sound quality is as dynamic or musical as what i think you would hope for, because I believe the M33 suffers from a pretty mediocre streamer and an only so-so DAC implementation, despite the fancy ESS Sabre chips it uses. For example, when I swapped in a basic Innuos Pulse mini as the streaming input (still using the internal M33 DAC), there was a noticeable improvement in SQ  and dynamism (running the Revels at that point).  That makes me think that the amp module is OK. I do think it is never going to wow you, however. I think it gives a polite, highly accurate sound, but my hunch is, that, even with a better separate DAC & Streamer, “snappy dynamic speed” is not what it is going to give you. (I sold my M33 to move to a better streamer and separately bought a CODA CSiB V2.)

But, i see that The Audio Factory has a great price on the M23 and i think they have a 60-day return period (you’d pay for return shipping) : B stock M23 So, that’s might make a test in your own room & system attractive?

(I’ve bought a ton of gear from them and always been very happy with the condition of their products and their service. )

Hope this helps, at least a little. 

@hilde45 Three other class Ds to consider in your context: AGD, Orchard Audio and our class D. All have smooth sound more like tubes than solid state. 

@hilde45 

Not sure if this willl help. I used to own the NAD M22 (and M12). I had also tried PS Audio Stellar S300 amps (along with their matching preamp/DAC). I then “upgraded” to the M33 in that same system. Those were precursors to my current cabin system. At the time, the electronics were driving Sonus Faber Olympica Nova IIIs. While it sounded ok, I wasn’t really satisfied with it. I ended upgrading the electronics a lot - not a fair comparison to put a T+A SD 3100 HV DAC and P 3000 HV preamp in there. But before I did all that, I put the Atma-Sphere Class D monos in. 

Frankly - there’s no comparison whatsoever between the AS Class D monos and the NAD M33,  M22 and PS Audio S300 (eigentakt, modified hypex and ICE respectively). While the Class D monos need a lot of time to run in (>400 hours), I’ve found they’re quite remarkable in their performance. A reviewer even compared them favorably to his LAMM amps. I’m now using them to drive Sonus Faber Il Cremonese speakers fronted by the T+A DAC and preamp. Though they are the least expensive component in that system by a large margin, It find the amps to be fully up to the task. Smooth, stable, detailed and resolving and not lean or bleached iin the least which was my objection to the Hypex and ICE variants.

Hope this helps.  

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