Hindsight after 45 years


   Forty-five years as an audiophile chasing a state of audio reproduction, commonly referred to as audio nirvana, where music sounds indistinguishable from a live performance. 
   Forty-five years of being a student and practitioner of all things audiophillia.

   Forty-five years of careful research and implementation.

   Forty-years trying to achieve maximum fidelity, detail, and emotional impact.

   Forty-five years of purchasing and rotating some really nice well regarded high fidelity equipment.

   In hindsight, I wish I had taken a different path. I wish I had gone the pro audio route.

   I live in Nashville; Music City. Where on any given day there are several different live performances within one city block and more all over the city. This is my reference.

   Being a gear junky, I pay attention. Never have I seen a single piece of hifi used on stage. I see guitar amps, pa speakers, and eq’s.

   Even bars and clubs play recorded music on pro audio equipment into large house speakers and the energy is fantastic even at lower volumes. 
   I’m not saying pro audio is better than hifi, there are many factors. It’s all subjective, relative, and dependent upon individual’s preferences and expectations. 
   Pro audio has come a long way in the last forty-five years, which may be why I didn’t find it practical for me years ago.

   I’m just saying, if I were to start over now, I would go pro audio.

   

audiodelusion

C'mon, man.  If what you're looking for is the sound that you get out at a club, even a small one, whatever, then go for it.  The aim of that equipment is not the same as a home system.  There's a difference in producing response from amplified (aren't they always?) instruments and what you get from a studio recording.  Try going to a group playing "live" (maybe you can still do that in Nashville, although even not at a place like the Bluebird), versus a string quartet or solo player or two in a small room.  While the pro sound can be very good, it was God-awful most often in the past.  Nothing compares with what you can get with a real, well-done recording in a real space played back ten feet from your chair in your living room.  Insofar as the equipment goes for these purposes, It's different all over the place. With live club sound you get nuance and tone, but you don't get the sound of Ron Carter playing unamplified 8 feet in front of you, as I have.  The speakers are the breaking point, and the ones in a live club are there for different reasons. If nothing else, a club manager is not going to buy a bunch of Sonus Faber stuff to satisfy his customers!  In your own home you do not have to put up with this!  Or maybe just hire some folks to come to your house and play live in front of you.  I suggest you do that and see how much you still think a "pro" setup in your living room is the way you want to go.  Maybe it is, maybe not.  Recordings are generally better than so-called "live"  music.  It's not live.  It just isn't.  It can't be, frankly.  Now, let me finish that actually seeing live performers cannot be duplicated in any way.  But that's not we're talking about here, and I suspect that aspect of it is what you find attractive.  In that case, I agree with you, but I don't want that stuff in my house. 

deep333

Thanks for the informative post! My first question is "where do they sit compared to the Yamaha NS5000s" that you do (or used to own)? Those Yamahas are finalists for my next speaker purchase

Do you know the Klipsch Jubilee, Klipsch’s flagship? might just beat the daylights out of the Magicos and Fabers.....It is essentially a high end pro audio speaker (has many traits of a Meyer bluehorn and so on)...sounds a lot like it, musicians floating right there in front of ya.

Electrovoice's Mike O Neill designed all the drivers and the speaker basically for the Daniel Hertz (Levinson) M1 biamped system...might just beat the daylights out of the Wilsons and Rockports...Sounds just like a higher end pro speaker, but, since it is marketed to audiophiles with a nice finish, price just went up to 200k.

JBL DD67000 for audiophiles?!...same thing...very very pro audio sounding....price went up for the high end finish and WAF improvement.

(Or perhaps, audiophiles will only look at these things if the price tag’s high, it may be beneath them, otherwise).

All these speakers will play just fine if you sat 10 or 12 ft away in a regular room. You can also go to town with it in a larger space.

Sorry if you heard some barrel bottom setup at Romero’s club with class D watts out the wazoo, covered your ears and started to praise the pretty finish Faber instead....i.e., came to the wrong conclusions. Sorry to break it to you...but, Miles’ trumpet or Brian Downey’s drums or Iommi’s riffs just ain’t gonna happen if you stood in front of him and tried to get the same thing playing at home on a Harbeth or a magnepan.....it can only happen on a pioneer xy-3b, klipsch jubilee, etc

 

 

C’mon, man.  If what you’re looking for is the sound that you get out at a club, even a small one, whatever, then go for it.  The aim of that equipment is not the same as a home system.  There’s a difference in producing response from amplified (aren’t they always?) instruments and what you get from a studio recording.  Try going to a group playing "live" (maybe you can still do that in Nashville, although even not at a place like the Bluebird), versus a string quartet or solo player or two in a small room.  While the pro sound can be very good, it was God-awful most often in the past.  Nothing compares with what you can get with a real, well-done recording in a real space played back ten feet from your chair in your living room.  Insofar as the equipment goes for these purposes, It’s different all over the place. With live club sound you get nuance and tone, but you don’t get the sound of Ron Carter playing unamplified 8 feet in front of you, as I have.  The speakers are the breaking point, and the ones in a live club are there for different reasons. If nothing else, a club manager is not going to buy a bunch of Sonus Faber stuff to satisfy his customers!  In your own home you do not have to put up with this!  Or maybe just hire some folks to come to your house and play live in front of you.  I suggest you do that and see how much you still think a "pro" setup in your living room is the way you want to go.  Maybe it is, maybe not.  Recordings are generally better than so-called "live"  music.  It’s not live.  It just isn’t.  It can’t be, frankly.  Now, let me finish that actually seeing live performers cannot be duplicated in any way.  But that’s not we’re talking about here, and I suspect that aspect of it is what you find attractive.  In that case, I agree with you, but I don’t want that stuff in my house. 

I still have the ns5000, it's in my regular house. I keep the above mentioned pro speakers in my cabin. Wife got mad with concerts going on and dudes camped out every weekend in my regular house. So, i had to move myself and some stuff to my cabin for fridays through sundays.. But, now that i'm officially retired, i don't really need to go back home either.  

Yamaha's a bit unique in the audio sphere because they have some very specialized know-how as a musical instrument manufacturer,  also very much a proaudio company.

But, they have a small segment of audiophile speakers (or marketed as such)... Very refined engg and nicer looking for WAF, but, their sound master and their musical instruments guys iterate back and forth and get it to sound a lot like their instruments. 

The NS5000 is one of them, i would call it a hybrid sound of a high end midfield studio monitor sort of speaker and a audiophile home speaker. It is not god awful clinical like a genelec or something. The yamaha is very accurate, but, pleasant, would be good for some smaller or mid-sized rooms.  

 

deep333

Thanks for the informative post! My first question is "where do they sit compared to the Yamaha NS5000s" that you do (or used to own)? Those Yamahas are finalists for my next speaker purchase

I still have the ns 1000 with be mid and tweeter,still great several decades latter.have the piano player nice finish. Would like to hear the 5000. Its yama new textreme,teonix material with same properties to beryllium. Jbl has some horns like it and final,ps audio made thier ribbons out of it.enjoy the music