Hindsight after 45 years


   Forty-five years as an audiophile chasing a state of audio reproduction, commonly referred to as audio nirvana, where music sounds indistinguishable from a live performance. 
   Forty-five years of being a student and practitioner of all things audiophillia.

   Forty-five years of careful research and implementation.

   Forty-years trying to achieve maximum fidelity, detail, and emotional impact.

   Forty-five years of purchasing and rotating some really nice well regarded high fidelity equipment.

   In hindsight, I wish I had taken a different path. I wish I had gone the pro audio route.

   I live in Nashville; Music City. Where on any given day there are several different live performances within one city block and more all over the city. This is my reference.

   Being a gear junky, I pay attention. Never have I seen a single piece of hifi used on stage. I see guitar amps, pa speakers, and eq’s.

   Even bars and clubs play recorded music on pro audio equipment into large house speakers and the energy is fantastic even at lower volumes. 
   I’m not saying pro audio is better than hifi, there are many factors. It’s all subjective, relative, and dependent upon individual’s preferences and expectations. 
   Pro audio has come a long way in the last forty-five years, which may be why I didn’t find it practical for me years ago.

   I’m just saying, if I were to start over now, I would go pro audio.

   

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When audiophiles think about pro gear, they are thinking about barrelbottom rough house plastic cabinet touring equipment that run at 500 dollars a pop, or some of the clinical studio monitors. That’s not the class equipment one should look at (They are meant for a specific application). If you want to enjoy music, you would look at the installation grade stuff, that get installed in certain types of venues where someone really cares how it sounds.

These are the pro speakers i bought that i’d put up against anyone’s rig at any price.

TAD designed these rather unique speakers...(Pioneer XY-3B) @ approx 12k/pair.

I also have a regular pair of TADs,  but, i seem to enjoy music more on the pioneer horns. I am able to enjoy all kinds of genres with these speakers.

 

This ’synergy’ horn from Danley with a very unique array of drivers, high level engineering.... Price varies depending on how you get it, I got it used.

https://www.danleysoundlabs.com/products/sh60/

 

Electro-voice EVF-D series from Mike O’Niell, i have one of the wide dispersion models. You can get it for around 6k/pair. If Mike designed something for audiophiles with a nice cabinet finish, price may become 200k (just sayin).

WAF tips:

Take the ugly metal grills off, and WAF will go up a lot.

If you want a nice polished finish on the cabinet, take the cabinet to some guy in town and get the finish/color you want (if you don’t know how to do it yourself).

Sound quality? No compromise.

Sky can be the limit on price with pro gear as well...For example, Meyer Bluehorns could run you 80k or more....and whatever else is out there... But, i just retired, i may never buy anything again, except cds.

 

The weak link with pro gear is the amps, i.e., very high powered class D to hit extreme SPL levels that compromise fidelity. If you listening at home at a reasonable 95 db and under, put it on your audiophile amps and dacs, and they will shine. A Schiit Bifrost and a pair of Schiit Tyr monoblocks should be more than enough...

In fact, they are designed to ’also’ sound good even at extreme SPL levels (levels where all home audio speakers fell to dust). When you don’t stress them out that much  and keep the SPLs at 95, 90db and under, you will hear a kind of fidelity that’s hard to find....holographia, visceral slam, dynamics, all of it for days. You would need decent subwoofers, of couse. 

You put  a high quality recording on them, it shines....You put a trash quality recording on them, they still shine...i.e. none of the...."might sound good 3 minutes before midnight on a blue moon night after your rub it down with unicorn horn dust, hiny and some jinglebell cable" requirements for "high end" audiophile speakers. You will no longer be restricted to running 3 records on repeat for the whole year.

It can kill all the neurosis and let you enjoy music of different kinds.

Hope that helps.

 

I agree that pro speakers can surprise you at the price points they can be had in comparison to consumer audio.  I have a set of turbosound IQ12s for live performance and they are way better than they should be for essentially DSP, preamps, amps and speakers that can crank out 100 db easy to a pretty large space.  For $1400 retail it’s kind of crazy.

I would also say that pro audio outdoors - there isn’t really anything better.  When you have a giant open area the sound has room to breathe.  It’s an amazing thing.  Funktion One / Hennessy / and many others are an experience live.  If only there was a way to listen at a volume that I didn’t need earplugs.

That being said, for my studio system I use passives because I seek realism in the system and haven’t heard a pair of monitors give me what my separates can. Also, I haven’t tried any of the big boy Barefoot, Neumann or Genelecs that people rave about.  And not sure how PA equipment would do in a small room?  Would love to hear about someone with high end PA gear speak about their experience!  I still prefer my home systems over my PA gear indoors, but there is a pretty large cost discrepancy between them.

We should distinguish between Pro Audio and Studio Audio. 

Stage gear is generally not well suited for home audio due to noise and distortion. But studio gear is a different matter. I have studio monitors (ATC SCM50, JBL 4311) and a Bryston 3B Cubed Pro model in my system that outshine most Audiophile components. 

I also have a studio quality equalizer (White Instruments) that adds no noise or distortion. 

Consider that all the decisions the artist, producer, and engineer make are based on that studio gear. That's the sound they want you to hear. 

 

Speakers are designed for small room or great Hall or studio or nightclubs etc...

Speakers work well in near listenings others not so well ...

Speakers are designed for boum boum, or cheap bland commercial sound music  and some for classical music...

I am surprised as usual by the lack of acoustics environment and conditions  understanding by some  about speakers specific design...

Anyway what matter after picking a specific design is his distinctive optimization... Why ?

Because there is no goal relation between individual small room acoustics immersivity, great hall designed for a collective optimal experience, small studio accuracy for a specific sweet spot predictability...

 

Comparison Table: Pro Audio vs. Audiophile
 
Feature  Pro Audio Gear Audiophile Speakers
Primary Goal Accuracy, Reliability, Efficiency Musicality, Enjoyment, Aesthetics

 

Sound Character

Analytical, Flat, Forward Detailed, Warm, Engaging

 

Build Quality

Rugged, Industrial, Protective High-end Finish, Exotic Materials

 

Usage Context

Studio, Live Events Home Listening

 

Typical Design

Often Active/Powered Often Passive

 

C'mon, man.  If what you're looking for is the sound that you get out at a club, even a small one, whatever, then go for it.  The aim of that equipment is not the same as a home system.  There's a difference in producing response from amplified (aren't they always?) instruments and what you get from a studio recording.  Try going to a group playing "live" (maybe you can still do that in Nashville, although even not at a place like the Bluebird), versus a string quartet or solo player or two in a small room.  While the pro sound can be very good, it was God-awful most often in the past.  Nothing compares with what you can get with a real, well-done recording in a real space played back ten feet from your chair in your living room.  Insofar as the equipment goes for these purposes, It's different all over the place. With live club sound you get nuance and tone, but you don't get the sound of Ron Carter playing unamplified 8 feet in front of you, as I have.  The speakers are the breaking point, and the ones in a live club are there for different reasons. If nothing else, a club manager is not going to buy a bunch of Sonus Faber stuff to satisfy his customers!  In your own home you do not have to put up with this!  Or maybe just hire some folks to come to your house and play live in front of you.  I suggest you do that and see how much you still think a "pro" setup in your living room is the way you want to go.  Maybe it is, maybe not.  Recordings are generally better than so-called "live"  music.  It's not live.  It just isn't.  It can't be, frankly.  Now, let me finish that actually seeing live performers cannot be duplicated in any way.  But that's not we're talking about here, and I suspect that aspect of it is what you find attractive.  In that case, I agree with you, but I don't want that stuff in my house. 

deep333

Thanks for the informative post! My first question is "where do they sit compared to the Yamaha NS5000s" that you do (or used to own)? Those Yamahas are finalists for my next speaker purchase