persistent 60 cycle hum only on tube gear


I know this topic has been addressed in the past but I'm hoping for the "latest tech" answer.

I have a persistent 60 cycle hum in my ARC tube gear. Not in my Bryston power amps or preamps- just the ARC tube pre and power amps. All XLR. 

I have installed an isolated, dedicated ground system (8' copper rod driven into moist earth) , a Ground Master unit between the chassis and the ground line, I  clipped the ground wire from my 20a 120v dedicated circuit, pretended to ignore the hum (that didn't work well).  I even replaced the tube sets with ARC OEM tubes in the pre and power amps (sonic improvement but no hum cure) .  Still the confounded hum.

Before I spend more money and failing I'd like your personal experience opinion on what worked for you. 

Thanks!

 

yesiam_a_pirate

@erik_squires said

If the grounding electrode can ever carry power-system fault or surge current, it is NOT a 250.54 auxiliary electrode anymore, so for the sake of audio equipment grounds, no, you aren’t using an auxiliary electrode.  

Erik, the branch circuit wiring EGC carries ground fault current back to the Grounded Service Entrance Neutral Conductor in the Main Service Equipment, electrical panel. From there the current returns on the electrical service neutral conductor to the Utility Power Transformer.

The Auxiliary ground rod is not involved.  It is not part of the ground fault circuit.

 

 

 

 

@erik_squires said:

If the grounding electrode can ever carry power-system fault or surge current, it is NOT a 250.54 auxiliary electrode anymore, so for the sake of audio equipment grounds, no, you aren’t using an auxiliary electrode.  This includes anything that has conductivity to equipment chassis like your amp, cd player, etc. 

Erik,

The earth shall not be considered as an effective ground-fault current path.

 

NEC 250.4(A)(5)

(5) Effective Ground-Fault Current Path. Electrical equipment and wiring and other electrically conductive material likely to become energized shall be installed in a manner that creates a low-impedance circuit facilitating the operation of the overcurrent device or ground detector for high-impedance grounded systems. It shall be capable of safely carrying the maximum ground-fault current likely to be imposed on it from any point on the wiring system where a ground fault may occur to the electrical supply source. The earth shall not be considered as an effective ground-fault current path.

"persistent 60 cycle hum only on tube gear"

few steps to debug the problem:

1) disconnect amp input cables, and plug RCA connectors dummies short/small resistance instead.

2) use linear signal isolation transformer 1:1

3) check tube amp for ground leakage, which typically happened in power transformer 

 

 

I’m not saying an auxiliary grounding electrode is an effective ground-fault current path — I’m saying it can become an unintended parallel current path during abnormal conditions, which is why assuming small-gauge wiring is adequate is risky. Of all the places where audiophiles should overbuild, grounding is one of them.

I suggest that the argument on Audiogon is moot, what will matter is what the inspector thinks, and good luck getting them to agree it's "auxuiliary" instead of "supplemental."  

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