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Moon 761 -> 861 upgrade but keeping the 791 preamp/streamer

Hi there, I have a Moon 791/761 combo that feeds a pair of Wilson Watt/Puppy 50th Anniversary speakers. I’m looking for opinions on upgrading from the Moon 761 to the 861, under the assumption that I keep my Moon 791 as the streamer/DAC/preamp.

I should note that my listening is all-digital: Qobuz + local library via Roon. No analog sources — and no plans to go that route.

I love the 791 + 761 combo, especially given how clean and detailed it sounds. But I am wondering what the 861 might bring to the table, especially with Wilsons or other super-revealing speakers. Is it a real step up in terms of grip, dynamics, soundstage, etc.? Or is the 761 already "most" of the way there? Finally, am I missing out on some weird incompatibility between the 791 and the 861? I doubt it, but thought I’d ask.

Thanks in advance for your comments and opinions.

 

 

debrajray
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debrajray OP
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@jc51373, yes, transparency has its +s and -s and the tube warmth is definitely missing. In the end I went for the detail but I appreciate the difference. 

@yyzsantabarbara Boss I am an impecunious professor. I did try the LA4 at some point, not for me. Though at some point I will try your other suggestions. I have the 891 with the 761 on another system at home, so more of the same, but better (?). I will check out the imersiv D-1 DAC if I can. (BTW, given my bias for transparency and detail over warmth, fiber made a significant difference to my --- limited --- audio life. Thanks!)

jc51373
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@yyzsantabarbara ​​@debrajray 

 

My reason for looking to changing my amplifier is not for more resolution, I get that in spades with my cart and phono stage...It's to open up doors for me with speaker choices since the Sugden (or any pure class A) amp is limiting in that regard

yyzsantabarbara
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@jc51373 You should have a listen to a 20-year-old CODA #11 (eBay) or the new CODA #16. Both are incredibly powerful but also Class A on the first 100 watts. I use both in 2 systems and they can be used with very high sensitivity speakers (similar to the quiet Benchmark AHB2 or Moon 761/861) or very low sensitivity speakers like Maggies.

Super quiet, finesse, and tremendous power.

I actually use the older #11 on my very best speakers. I got that one used for $2400. It is a keeper.

jc51373
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Thanks but no thanks...I alreaady have a Class A amp and I've heard CODA, Sugden was better to my ear. 

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