Need to downsize my system


I have a lovely system with Sonus Faber Serafino Tradition speakers, Ayre AX5-Twenty integrated, Chord Dave DAC, and a cambridge audio streamer.

I’m moving to London (from US) this summer and am liquidating the above system: among other factors, I will not have a dedicated study/listening room but instead will need to either double duty with the family room or a smallish (12x13 feet) bedroom.  So ideally I’ll move to a system where speakers are less imposing and smaller footprint (so likely standmounts) and an all-in-one streamer-dac-integrated system.  A two box setup (streamer+dac and integrated) could also be feasible.

I would love some recommendations on where to start.  An obvious alternative is to buy the Sonus Faber Guarneri G5 (which are basically the standmount and newer version of my Serafino) and Ayre EX-8.  I’m also open to the idea of a sub to complement the standmounts.

I listen mostly to classic rock and Jazz.  I’m sensitive to hard/shrill sound so the Sonus Faber house sound has been perfect for me.  Most important is the sound but looks also matter: an ugly rectangular box that sounds wonderful will likely not work for me.

I would love to hear any ideas.  Thinking of spending total of about 25-30K UKP and will consider demo/used.

deone

First, I would definitely look into discussing options with London audio retailers. With today's world economy, tariffs, restrictions etc, it might be wiser and much more cost effective to buy over there. Your speakers are French, so you might also look into Devialet or Advance Paris. The British make a lot of nice gear as well; I know Cambridge integrated amps with DACS might interface with your streamer well to give you nice results in a small package. You can easily research the cost to ship speakers, etc. from here to London, but consider the insurance as well.

@deone 

I had an Audio Research GSi75 a few years ago that is fantastic.  It has a unique design so may not be appealing.  Still need a streamer.  I have had a few Aurender products and their construction is stellar.  They have an all-in-one (AP20) that I have never heard anything about so unsure how their amps sound.

https://tmraudio.com/fresh-arrivals/aurender-ap20-integrated-streaming-amplifier-warranty/

Sell everything before you go and don't buy anything until you get to know how your new listening room sounds and you get a handle on the UK audio market The UK speaker market is geared toward smaller rooms so you'll have many options, including brands that are not found in the US (e.g., Jordan-Watts).  Once you get speakers to fit your room, buy an amplifier that drives the speakers and spend the rest of your budget on the best front end components you can find.  Puritan Audio (UK) makes excellent power conditioners, by the way, and they are much less expensive than Shunyata or Synergistic, even in the US!  The Room/Speaker interface is always the most difficult. Good luck!

I can only tell you what I would do in your situation, not what you should do, but FWIW, a year ago, I was in a similar situation.  I spent months researching downsizing options for a move to a 14x17’ room.  Part of that effort was a deep dive into EX-8-class integrateds.

I finally settled on a $20K T+A R 2500 R, despite the fact that it cost multiples of the other candidates on my list, but the overall sonics and connectivity of this German box really blew away most of the competition.  I understand that you may not want to spend that much money, but more on that below.

FWIW, the EX-8 2.0 is a wonderful piece of gear, based on Charlie’s posthumous designs.  Your Ax is, overall, a superior unit, but the price difference far outweighs any subtle sonic compromises.  Both enjoy the same overall Ayre house sound, outstanding power supplies, and broad functionality.

I didn’t go with Ayre because of persistent rumors about the company’s viability.  Ayre reps work hard to paint a rosy picture, but when you try to actually buy an EX-8 from a site that advertises it, it usually has to be built to order.  There seems to be little product in the channel, which was a red flag.  That alone discouraged me from going with what was initially my first choice.

The Hegel integrated, as others have mentioned here, was in the same class as the EX-8.  In their respective price ranges, they’re tough to beat.

T+A also has some lower-priced integrateds, like the Symphonia.  I’m not real familiar, but a quick scan suggests that they’re as worthy of consideration as the R 2500 R.

I evaluated over a dozen other integrateds, but none was able to meet all my requirements. I wanted small, light, Class A or A/B, connectivity sufficient to support double-duty powering the front channels of a small home theater, and, of course, an outstanding DAC. I would have loved an Audio Reserach integrated, but alas, tubes and home theaters don't mix.

All three of these offer innovative and highly successful proprietary power supply designs that are extremely quiet & lightweight.  Hegel an Ayre include good DACs (depending on model), but the obvious standout in the area of integrated DAC-streaming is obviously T+A.  The company is only now becoming recognized in this country, but in Europe, T+A is recognized as producing some of the finest dual-path DACs on the market.  The R 2500 R, e.g., includes what is essentially the company’s $8K standalone DAC.  And, as I’m sure you know, the integrated form factor provides numerous advantages over separates (sorry if I’m making anybody’s head spin) for use cases like ours, not the least of which is the inclusion of a common clock for DAC & streamer, one that does not require external cabling or an Ethernet switch.

As for speakers, if you like the Sonus Faber sound, great.  But in a smaller environment, I found that the Harbeth C7 was hard to beat.  (The C7 is arguably indirectly descended from the smaller LS3/5A, but I wouldn’t characterize it as a “BBC design”.  It’s a thin-walled “rectangular box,” but its cherry finish is hardly “ugly.”) I was ready to spend $20K on speakers, and I’m a bit of a hard sell, having listened exclusively to a pair of Quad ESLs for the last 30 years.  None other than the late Art Dudley, however, assured me that the C7’s voicing was the closest I’d find to that of an ESL in a small box and when I finally got around to hearing a pair, found that he was right.  I still miss the ESLs, and always will.  But overall, the C7 works in my specific environment: it’s quite small, light, mates well with many subs, and despite middling sensitivity, is a very easy load.  And its circa-$5000 price tag is crazy low. The $5-20K I saved by not going with something like a small MBL or Vivid system paid for major tonearm, cartridge, & cabling upgrades.

Ayre and Hegel are good choices, but if you’re gonna be in Europe, top-notch Euro outfits like T+A (and Harbeth) would be my first choices.

Oh yeah, T+A support is also outstanding.  When a circuit board suffered an infant-mortality failure, the head of T+A domestic distribution contacted me personally to assure me that he was overnighting a part to me and would supervise the repair effort – which was quite simple.  Really, a class outfit.

 

@deone - sticking with Sonus Faber and standmounts are good choices. But maybe demo Harbeth which sonically matches Hegel electronics to evaluate another option.