Classical Music - Check this out!!


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I'm starting a Classical Music (cd) Collection and this seems to be a great resource.

I know this is a lot to ask, but most of the recommendation links are broken. Anyone have  some suggestions as to which are the best renditions of each work?

TIA

klimt

@richardbrand I have no issues with people who do not like harpsichord. Just stick to Mahler, Beethoven, etc. But leave Bach out of it. I've heard the red herring argument that Bach would have loved the piano, therefore, we now use it. The problem is that of balance. Harpsichord and theorbo as plucked instrument work together. Piano hammers theorbo to death. I've seen theorbo electronically amplified, and then possibly with the special amplifier the player can turn it up to 11 (reference to Spinal Tap).

I am glad to hear your partner appreciates appropriately played music.

You are obviously right.

It was not my intended meaning to negate technological instrument progress but to underline the relative  independence of musical experience from technology ...

Why relative ? Because musical experience is universal and grounded in the way we perceive timbre effects and acoustics information from any vibrating sound source beginning with our voices gestures  and with our ears/ body reactions...

Then music is a biological phenomena deeper than just what is reflected by technological evolution...

There is no superiority of the music of highly evolved technological civilization over less technological one...

 The Tar or the tanbur or the talking Nigerians drum  are  not inferior to the organ.. That was my point.

Anybody know that tech influence music experience  through instrument evolution, it is a common place known  fact...

But  what i said is not common place known  fact ...

Timbre biological neurological experience and acoustics information invariants from a vibrating sound source  is the core of music experience with rythm and body gestures dynamics... Not technology as such  ...

 

 Also the origin of the organ versus didgeridoo are vastly different experience of the sacred ... This is not a common place fact  nor is its meanings ... Even if today they can be played side by side which is common place known  fact...

 

 

Bodily maps of musical sensations across cultures

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308859121

Timbral effects on consonance disentangle psychoacoustic mechanisms and suggest perceptual origins for musical scales

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45812-z

 

 

But you were right to correct my post which was too short on explanations and not completely clear...smiley

 

@mahgister 

I think a didgeridoo is as valuable as an organ but the two are used in different context...

Not always!  Try Phillip Glass’ Voices for Didgeridoo, Organ and Narrator.

Australia’s leading digeridoo player is William Barton, who is also on the board of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra. When the Sydney Opera House opened after its AUD $100-m refit, the opening work was Barton’s Of The Earth followed by Mahler’s Resurrection Symphony.  Plenty of organ there.

i dont think there is progress in a technological sense with musical instruments

Who are you kidding?  I posted this on another thread some time ago:

Knowing that much of the readership here is from the USA, that about half the adult population of the USA seems to believe in creationism, and that everybody has to profess a belief in God, nevertheless I want to point out that the piano did not suddenly pop into existence fully formed some 300 years ago as if from the hand of God.

No.  The piano has evolved, and is still evolving.  Just seven years ago the world’s first 108 key concert grand piano was built in Tumut, Australia, about 100-km from where I live in Canberra, by the Stuart and Sons mentioned above.  The lowest note is 16-Hz and the range is almost two octaves more than the 88-note pianos that ruled the last century.  They in turn had about twice the octave span of the first recognised pianos by Cristofori.

Christofor did not start from scratch, either. He started from the harpsicord, which was itself a development of the harp. The harpsicord adds a keyboard, where pressing a key causes the corresponding string to be mechanically plucked.  Unfortunately the player cannot control the volume of the plucking - Sir Thomas Beecham described the harpsicord as sounding like "two skeletons copulating on a tin roof".  

Christofor’s mechanism converted the ’pluck’ into a ’whack’ where the player could control the volume depending on the speed the keys were pressed, emphasised by the words forte for loud and piano for soft.  Mozart had to make do with about five octaves. It took about 100 years for iron frames to find their ways into pianos, allowing much more tension to be applied to the strings.  The fortepiano evolved into the pianoforte.

Beethoven in particular forced much of the evolution, getting up to 6 ½ octaves in his last compositions and trying to use the German hammerklavier rather than piano to describe the instrument.

Although the number of keys seemed to have stalled for a bit more than a century, overall sizes, orientations and capabilities did not.  I am especially thinking of recording pianos which punched, and could replay, piano rolls.  2L has released a superb surround recording of Grieg’s Piano Concerto which is the equal of any modern recording, though the piano part was recorded over 100 years ago by Australian pianist / composer (and sado-masochist) Percy Grainger.

Metallurgy did not stand still either.  Modern steel wires have far higher breaking strengths these days.  Even cast iron has been transformed from an extremely brittle material into a ductile one that can be used, for example, for engine crankshafts.  Moulten iron from a blast furnace is supersaturated in carbon, and when it cools the carbon precipitates as graphite sheets which give grey cast iron its colour and its weakness.  Adding a little magnesium makes the graphite form into balls which are more benign!

Stuart and Sons have done more than extend the keyboard.  They have revolutionised the way the wires feed the frame, downwards rather than sideways.  They have optimised the cast iron frame using Finite Element Analysis, and even added a fourth pedal which moves the hammer pivot closer in, allowing more nuanced softer passages.

@oberoniaomnia 

In the current context of somebody starting a classical music journey, I think your rather puristic approach could be a bit off-putting. Surely not all of JS Bach's keyboard music mandates the inclusion of improvisations on the theorbo?

Anyway, for the rest of us, at the top of Presto's current recommendations for the Goldberg Variations is Víkingur Ólafsson on piano (on vinyl, CD, high res download and on special).  I have not checked all 1,188 search results but piano seems to dominate the field.  Harpsichord recordings cry out for the theorbo, or something similar, to relieve the monotone boredom!

Bit like life, if we all always agree.

@richardbrand I consider an early nudge in the right direction appropriate. It saves a lot of trouble down the road. As audiophiles want to reproduce the music as faithfully as possible, then the proper instrumentation of period pieces is part of that. I am fully well aware that the majority of people think Bach on piano (or synthesizer) to be perfectly fine. Most also stream MP3s over a Sonos speaker and think this is good audio.

Re improvisation, that is a central part of baroque music. Not just for a particular instrument, not just on cadenzas, but all over the place. This is what makes baroque playing interesting, as the written music is only a rough guide line. Consider the keyboard parts with figured bass. For the lower register, only a single note is given, and the keyboardist is expected to play a tasteful cord on that one note. That's just how baroque music works. 

I heard once some clueless classical performer play that lower register with just the one finger. Kind of comical, would it not be so sad. 

@oberoniaomnia 

I am glad to hear your partner appreciates appropriately played music

Funnily enough, this year’s Christmas concert by the Australian Brandenburg Orchestra dropped Bach completely and featured a classical guitarist and, shock horror, music by living composers.

It had pieces by de Falla and Albeniz who are clearly post baroque.

In a reverse of the Bach piano controversy, Albeniz music, almost all written for the piano, was played on the guitar.  This is such common practice you could be forgiven for thinking it was originally guitar music!