What considerations apply to material selection for cartridge mounting bolts?


I have found myself needing some longer bolts to relocate a Shure V15 Type 3 cartridge to a Holbo air-bearing system.

The Holbo tone-arm is a tangential tracker with a rigid rectangular 'launch pad' for the cartridge.  The pad is 3-mm thick which is much more than the fixed SME head-shell my dad bolted the Shure to some 45 years ago.  If it was supplied with longer bolts, they disappeared decades ago!

I will most likely have a similar issue with my Audio Technica VM540ML cartridge which is probably a better fit for the Holbo.  It was supplied with a head-shell 4-mm thick, but the bolts slots are recessed by over 2-mm.

A quick internet search turned up bolts made of stainless steel, titanium, aluminium, brass, plastic and nylon.  Some brass bolts are gold-plated (for corrosion resistance presumably).  As a one-time metallurgist, I know that stainless steels can be non-magnetic, or magnetic.

Plastic and nylon are lightweight insulators and immune to electro-magnetic effects like induced eddy currents.

The lower the material density, the lower effective mass of the cartridge.  Here brass is clearly the worst, being denser than steel and weaker than the other metals.

I presume that the main engineering requirement is to firmly couple the cartridge to the tone-arm but I have no idea how firmly.

The Funk Firm has an opposite view with its Houdini coupler which in effect splits the bolts in half, with an elastic suspension between the cartridge body and the tone-arm.  It seems to allow the cartridge body to swing easily to the left or right side.  Does anybody here use these?

richardbrand

@richardbrand 

In my haste to throw my two cents in I keep ignoring the fact that that you're trying to optimize a tangential arm and not a static one.

I was referencing to a resonance test that is manual using visual observation to determine the arm assembly's actual resonance frequency using a swept tone in phase for horizontal and out of phase for vertical where the tonearm and cartridge assembly will visually oscillate at whatever the natural tendency is for that mass and compliance. It would require some form of intervention if not in the optimum range.

Since I haven't a clue regarding the operation of a tangential arm I'll defer but hope anyone who happens on this thread will find our exchange useful to their endeavors setting up a traditional tonearm. Thanks for your consideration anyway.

RB, off the top of my head I am not sure you’re correct regarding horizontal effective mass for an LT tonearm, because there is still a distribution of mass between stylus tip and the air bearing such that mass near the tip is more readily moved than mass at the bearing. I think it would still depend upon the distribution.As you said most of the mass is at the distal end. I have not looked it up on ChatGPT or even the internet in general. Just guessing.

@lewm  outer tube

On the Holbo, as opposed to servo-driven tangential arms, the entire arm assembly including the air bearing outer tube acts as a single rigid mass.  The bearing outer tube is about 70-mm long, while the business end of the tone arm is just a tad over twice that, forming a rigid T.

The cartridge end really only has two degrees of freedom, because of the T-shape and 10-micron tolerances.  It can only pivot precisely vertically, and it can only slide precisely horizontally, on an essentially friction-free air-layer.

When the stylus moves sideways, it has to act on the entire mass, no matter how distal or proximal each bit is.  There is no need to even introduce the artificial concept of effective mass.

One consequence of the design is that there is virtually no fore-and-aft movement at the cartridge so nasties in the groove like scratches and dust don't set off sympathetic rattles.  The cartridge cannot rotate in any plane except vertical, which it has to do to ride warps.

No matter how closely I look, I cannot see any jerkiness or stiction whatsoever in the sliding motion. Quite brilliant design, in my opinion

@lewm 

I never thought of asking ChatGPT but since you mentioned it ...

 

I started with "what is the effective mass of a holbo tangential tone arm" and got the textbook answer for vertical effective mass.

Then I tried "what is the effective horizontal mass of a holbo tangential tone arm" and got a better answer, though a bit waffly:

Holbo tangential tonearm has a very high effective horizontal mass, which is characteristic of air-bearing linear trackers, as the entire moving carriage assembly contributes to the inertia in the horizontal plane. 

While the exact effective horizontal mass is not a single published specification number, it is generally considered to be: 

  • Significantly higher than its effective vertical mass of 7.5 g.
  • Closer to the total tonearm mass of 31.6 g (which is the mass of the moving part, including the arm wand, counterweight, and carriage).
  • In some similar air-bearing designs, the effective horizontal mass can range from 40 g to over 100 g or even more, as additional weights are sometimes added to achieve a specific low-frequency resonance point. 

Then I put my original question in again, and got a refinement as ChatGPT added the horizontal component.  It learns:

The effective vertical mass of the Holbo tangential tonearm is 7.5 grams. This places it in the low-mass category, generally suiting it for high-compliance cartridges. 

In tangential (linear tracking) tonearms, the effective mass is typically specified differently for the vertical and horizontal planes. 

  • Effective vertical mass: 7.5g
  • Total tonearm mass: 31.6g 

The effective horizontal mass of linear tracking arms is generally much higher because the entire arm assembly moves horizontally, which can be in the range of 40-100g for some models. However, the Holbo design has a very small effective mass for the sideways (horizontal) movement, which is cited as 31.6g before adding the cartridge and mounting hardware. 

For optimal performance, this low effective vertical mass is best paired with cartridges that have high compliance to achieve the ideal resonant frequency range of 8-12 Hz. However, the manufacturer claims it works well with a range of cartridges, including some lower-compliance moving coil options. 

 

 

 

 

 

My titanium bolts arrived eight days after I ordered them, and two months earlier than expected.  The slow boat from China must have been a hovercraft, at least. 

Because the pack did not include nuts, I have to wait for the next boat, bearing aluminium bolts and nuts, before I can try either.