New Turntable


Hi All,

I’m considering a new turntable for a system based around Classe Delta separates and Focal Utopia speakers. I’ve narrowed my choices down to a few models:

  • Luxman P151 MK II Centennial Edition
  • Luxman P191A
  • Clearaudio Ovation or Innovation
  • Rega P10

And looking for any feedback folks have on sound, value, ease of use, etc. I need to decide if I want to try to snag an individual centennial edition from Luxman while I can or get the entire set. I don’t have a ton of turntable experience, so as fuss-free of an experience as possible is desired. When I spoke to dealers they considered these options pretty low-maintenance and I should not be concerned there, though they did mention that Rega is about as set it and forget it as can be. I will need a dust cover and as far as I can tell all of these have that option available.

One thing that concerns me about Clearaudio is the age of the models and the almost 50% increase in price of the product lifetime of the Ovation. If it was still around 8K it would be an obvious front-runner for me. 

Please don’t respond with other brands. There is an overwhelming amount of choice out there and I’ve worked pretty hard to get to a short list already. An example I had, but removed was Goldnote Mediterraneo as it would be not regularly demoed and is available special order only.

 

tank_pd

lewm: 2 points

1) Stating that asking the question of which turntable automatically means "what I own" is a rather blanket statement.  If I knew something that sounded better, say the Rockport, at $100,000, was better but I just can't afford the space and price tag.  I would state that.  The Nantais tables are just plain better on all levels.  If I was going for the absolute best playback, it would be the Ampex MR-70.  Again to big and complex to keep running.  And reel to reels are just too hard to store and deal with.

Now some may tout what they bought, even if they know something better.  But I doubt that is in the majority.

2) Where you are correct is that you should try to listen for yourself.  You just have to figure out a control process to determine which is best.  Arthur's process is a big help in creating your own process.

Most stereo equipment have subtle differences between them.  Some work great in a controlled enviornment in a store, but do not work well if you do not have a dedicated music room.  My biggest mistake was buying an amp that sound great in the store.  Sounded better than my amp and preamp when tested in the store.  Brought it home.  After two weeks my wife said to get rid of that thing and go back to the old amp, which I did.

Now in the case of some things. they are an order of magnitude better.  Nantias' turntables are one of those things.  I'm not talking about subtile differences where there is give and take.  These are a whole magintude jump in performance that rivals the best studio equipment.

One of my clients is a recording engineer and had his own label many decades ago.  When I told him about my new turntable, he really didn't believe it.  Until he came over and we had a listening session.  He had to admit that this was incredible.  And he was never one to change opinions easily.

You’re preaching to the converted. I love my Lenco.but I moved from a Nantais version to a different build. However I do agree the Nantais is excellent.

when you mention Arthur without further explanation, do you refer to Arthur Salvatore? I find him to be thoughtful but way too dogmatic. Some of the gear he loves I don’t love.

I enjoyed an Ovation for a couple of years, preferring an Origin Live arm instead of a Clearaudio Universal. My upgrade to an Acoustic Signature Montana Neo was indeed an upgrade, but much smaller sonically than the 5x difference in co$t.

Best advice for buying a turntable? Buy one from a company that ONLY does turntables...  Rega is the only exception to that rule... maybe the higher end Technics but you are making a compromise with tonearms .

I have a Rega Naia so a souped up P10. Love it, but two caveats:

- Rega does not have leveling feet. So either you already have a perfectly level surface, or you add some form of leveling device. I made my own platform from 1.5" of maple. (see virtual system),

- The felt "mat" on the platter clings to records, and is really annoying. Easy to replace, but will be thicker than the felt, so will slightly change arm angle/stylus rake angle. I went back and forth a few times, and could not hear a difference. I don't think micro VTA adjustments matter much, and adjusting it for 120 vs. 180 g records is not necessary. Had a VPI with VTA on the fly adjustments, and I could not hear any difference despite trying quite a bit. 

my 2c.