Some brands make incredible all in one units, Lumin is one of them. Streamer, DAC combos at various price points. All are great, have built in digital volume control. If you plan keeping a combo unit for awhile, don’t really like to tweak things, great option. From a flexibility standpoint, separates are the way to go, allows you to swap out DAC’s, easier to tweak, make changes. So many options, depends on your budget and sound preference, matching gear. Ability to replace a pre with a DAC / Streamer with volume control is really system dependent, works well with some amps / speakers but with others a Pre will generally make a noticeable improvement. Schitt, Lumin, T&A, LTA (Areo), PS Audio, Chord all make great DAC’s with different design philosophies, R2R, Tube, FPGA, Chips. Used is a great way to get more bang for your buck, good luck.
DAC's Streamer and Preamps
I have been searching for a DAC for a while now. In the meantime I have been using a laptop plugged into my preamp until I decide on the DAC I want. I definitely know this isn't optimal. In my search I have been looking at individual DAC's, DAC's with preamps or volume control, DAC's with streamers built in and sometimes all three. I wanted to throw it out there and find out what people's preference is? I know previously having everything separate was the best way to go but because of technology things has changed a bit. What are your thoughts?
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I subscribe to the advice that a higher end system will benefit from a separate pre but not necessarily a separate DAC and streamer. However, since I have not seriously looked at upgrading components for the last two years, I am not real familiar with the more recent all-in-one boxes. I know there has been a big focus on volume control which has been a weakness in the past. Especially if one is only streaming there is no question this option could provide the best value. You should certainly consider it and let your ears and wallet be your guide. I think the traditional "separates are always better" logic is simply not valid for everyone. |
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I am a separate component guy, but, it will cost you more money in interconnects, power cables, and possibly linear power supplies, and you will need more space. Of course components give you more flexibility for individual upgrades. I am old school and always believed that separates improved the sound, but, in the medium and high end that may not be the case anymore. I have separate preamp, monoblock amps, separate CD/SACD transport, separate DAC, separate streamer, separate LPS (s). So, for example, if I update my DAC, my streamer and transport will take advantage of the upgrade and my preamp does not need to be upgraded. But, you already know all that... When I started, Marantz Receivers were near the top of the line, so, integrated.... then separates were the rage, and now, integrated is back. In addition, the old Marantz receivers are still considered good sound today. So, I would say that today, either component or integrated can give great sound, just go with your needs and the best components you can afford. However, as others have said, for volume control and other advantages, I am still a proponent of DAC to Preamp to Amp(s) - whether integrated or separate components. |
@audphile1 I am listening to recordings that I know very well, and listen for particular things. I have listened to these DACs I mentioned extensively on a number of different systems. When I refer to resolution, I am referring to aspects of the recording that I hear on my system and hear or don’t hear on others, and vice versa. I have 50 years plus of listening to good stuff and live music, so my ears are well trained. I stand by what I said- the Yggdrasil OG resolves inner detail, soundstage and impact as well as any of those DACs. I agree that what sets the higher Lampizators apart from the Yggy is an upper midrange and high end that lacks the Yggdrasil’s occasionally too sparkly high end and that has a remarkable sense of naturalness. That better upper midrange and high end comes at a cost of 10 times what I paid for the Yggdrasil.
I mentioned those two DACs/DAC series because I think highly of them. If Schiit didn’t exist as a company, I might have the LTA DAC or cheapest Lampizator. They are very natural and organic sounding. The pairing of my Yggdrasil with a Cary ultimate upgraded SLP05 preamp with excellent Raytheon VT231 and CBS/Hytron 5692’s means that my system is less affected by the slight drawbacks of the Yggdrasil as compared with those who have preamps with brighter top ends and hotter sounding speakers. I hope that you understand my comments now better. |
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