I miss scarcity

@goodlistening64 

I looked at philosophy the same way... not a great way to make a living. Although fascinating. 

Push the button for an AI is simple. Like the example I gave earlier where the AI could not get out of the CAPTCHA screen. so it contacted a humans on line and said they would pay them to do it... claiming they were handicapped but needed it done... the people did the work for the AI without knowing the real reason,. And this example is trivial. When we are the simple minded ones... manipulating us to do stupid things is easy. Look around how well we are at doing it ourselves. 

Some simple ways. Organize crews to go fix an emergency problem in the silos. Send orders to all commanders authorizing this, send details to the crews... send orders to the silo managers the at the keys are disabled and need to be tested because of a bug. 

Authourize and send a crew in for an upgrade and connect the silos to the internet so the AI can circumvent systems to prevent lunch. 

Go ask and AI... it will probably give you lots more an much better ideas.

@mahgister 

We certainly agree that the world is incredibly complex and a deep understanding of dozens of disciplines is required to assemble a good understanding of reality and understand how we perceive it. It is clear we both have understanding with emphasis on different disciplines. One of the facets that you seemed to have explored more is on the relationship between numbers and the real world. I think I have one of those dense books sitting on my shelf being ready to be read. It’ll be interesting if I have any epiphanies out of that. But my reading list is huge as I find more to read and think about the more I learn. 

@mahgister 

I think I know what I am trying to say. Your world view is too speculative and abstract to make concrete predictions as to what is and is not possible in the future with an evolving technology. Particularly in light of the empirical evidence and progress made in the AI world over the last 20 years. 

It is a great synthesis from multiple disciplines of the foundation of reality and information. But it is a theory... a theoretical world view. Not a heavily tested, corroborated and scientifically accepted paradigm. So, it is very worthy of consideration but not one that can be relied upon to rule out the outcome of using  technology that is being developed that is heading into an unknown solution space where it is easy to construct scenarios that can result in human extinction. 

I acknowledge that humans tend to predict negative outcomes on things they do not fully understand. I think at one time it was held that breaking the sound barrier would result in a catastrophe and the CERN Supercollider would create a black hole that would consume the earth. 

But in this care a significant number of scientist who are creating this technology are loudly decrying the open and unregulated development of SGI. I have heard / read from many of these. This is a threat that should not be dismissed. Especially in a world with politicians that think at the sixth grade level that are in charge of the world of technology and war. Yes, I was purposefully being generous. 

But in this care a significant number of scientist who are creating this technology are loudly decrying the open and unregulated development of SGI. I have heard / read from many of these. This is a threat that should not be dismissed

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