Is ASR for real, or is it only for those sub $1k or even sub $2K?


I did some browsing on the forum and it seems like most don't own very expensive gears.  Most of them own mostly sub 1K or 2K gears.  

I recently ask about feedback on the Polk R700 but after about a month with no responds.  I did a search "ASR Polk R700", with all but one poster which actually owned a pair.  Most of them would point you to some measurement and some theoretical discussion but non actually own a pair.

I also looked at a few posts on budget speakers such as the Kef Q7 or Polk R600, but I didn't see any actual owners responding.  

I don't mean to knock on them but ASR seems like a lot of hype but very little substance.

andy2

When I was a medical student and resident decades ago I used to attend monthly "Morbidity and Mortality Rounds" presented to the medical staff of the teaching hospital I was training at.  Cases were presented about interesting and complex patients who had died during their hospital admission first by the clinical team who cared for the patient on the ward, and then pathology team who had done the post mortem - autopsy, tissue and fluid analysis etc.  It was a complex mix of objective and subjective data, clinical decision making with incomplete information, and the cold truths corroborated after death.  It generated a lot of spirited debate and was a tremendous learning experience.

Some audio reviews take a similar approach such as Stereophile with listening followed by measurement.

A couple of years ago I was researching buying a power line conditioner, and came across an extensive review on ASR done by Amir.  It showed the insides of the device and a plethora of measurements were presented which culminated in the pronouncement that the device could not possibly do what it claimed to do and so was not recommended.  I read through the review again thinking I had missed an important section on how it sounded, but there was none to be found.  Seeing how it made your system sound seems like a pretty fundamental component to any review.  Measurements alone during an autopsy won't tell you how the patient felt when they were alive!

If your ears lies while they live , and they lied continually said some ASR fanatics using as proof double blind test, we must throw them off with all dead body and look at our dials...

I think you are biased doctor... wink

Measurements alone during an autopsy won't tell you how the patient felt when they were alive!

 

I think the measurements have a little value but the people there are so unlikeable I rarely visit that site.  The lining up of products by SINAD at a point far beyond audibility is an annoying obsession with trivia.  They make almost no attempt to relate the measurements to listening experience or audibility.  They seem like the kind of people that if you met one in person you'd want to give him a wedgie and stuff him in a locker.  

They seem like the kind of people that if you met one in person you'd want to give him a wedgie and stuff him in a locker.

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@markwd you’ve spent about three pages of discussion here playing a game of “bring me another rock”.  Now I’d like to reverse that and ask you to bring some rocks to the discussion to help ground your criticisms of @mahgister’s perspectives.  I noticed you don’t have a system listed on your information page so I am curious what your background is as a listener, and how that might influence your perceptions of what defines good sound to you, where you personally choose to make your investments, and what specifically you believe is to be avoided.

1. Are you a regular listener to hifi gear?  Headphones? Speakers and amps? Multi-channel systems?

2.What is your preferred source(s), analog or digital?

3. What are the particulars of your setup that seem like reasonable steps to improve performance, shelving, room treatments, AC supply, connecting cables, anything?

4. Is there a system you’ve heard at an industry show, dealer showroom, or friend’s house that really floated your boat? If so, what was it about that system that appealed to you?  What was the setup if you recall?

5. If I tracked this thread correctly, I believe you mentioned that you were undertaking an effort to expose or debunk audio gear, or tweaks being marketed with false claims and under dubious supporting principles.  What are the categories of products that you will be evaluating, and how do you plan to carry out those evaluations?

It would be helpful to understand where you are coming from and what your personal experience is beyond reading and supporting ASR.  We are all pretty familiar with where Mahgister stands and how he practices what he preaches in his own system and listening.  He is an open book with many pages.  You, not so much.

Thanks in advance for filling in any of these gaps so we can fully understand your approach and convictions as you enter into these discussions.  This is after all, a largely subjectivist and in-room experience forum, and as such it helps to speak the language.

kn