Is ASR for real, or is it only for those sub $1k or even sub $2K?


I did some browsing on the forum and it seems like most don't own very expensive gears.  Most of them own mostly sub 1K or 2K gears.  

I recently ask about feedback on the Polk R700 but after about a month with no responds.  I did a search "ASR Polk R700", with all but one poster which actually owned a pair.  Most of them would point you to some measurement and some theoretical discussion but non actually own a pair.

I also looked at a few posts on budget speakers such as the Kef Q7 or Polk R600, but I didn't see any actual owners responding.  

I don't mean to knock on them but ASR seems like a lot of hype but very little substance.

andy2

There is no gulf between me and Amir...

Amir is the head of ASR...

I am nobody...

Second, Amir dont understand anything about hearing theory in its actuial state...

I discussed for years here with him or the like of him...

It is useless as recommending a book about primes numbers theory to a poet...or a linguistic book to an engineer...devil

Amir do well the marketing of his site. Nothing else...

He has nothing to learn from me. 

He did not and cannot read the articles i proposed to him few times because it will kill his main claim that specs measures tell all the audio tale...( he gave ad hominem attacks not only to Kunchur but to Van Maanen, a hobbyist for him, , as answer he ignores the others scientists)

is it confusing for you to understand that ?

if Amir treated Kunchur as a clown do you think i had a chance and the appetite to go on ASR debating him with 10 of his disciples (many engineers) to gave me answers? 

Do you think they will read 500 pages contradicting  their acoustics beliefs ?

 I am passionate about truth. opinions in audio dont interest me. Why do you think i am interested by acoustics theory ?

Because it is related to speech and linguistic and not only music...More acoustics phenomena  are metaphors for numbers theory too ...If you think i am a "crank" ask the mathematician Alain Connes...

Things are simple, ready to be debunk mostly for simplistic mind...Things are in fact deep and complex... Even in audio...devil

 

 

 

smiley

@mahgister I’m baffled by your vague hints at some great gulf between you and Amir. Go over to ASR or elsewhere and explain exactly what he gets wrong and how he might improve. I’d love to read it!

I'm developing a debunking resource for audiophile myths and collecting together all the relevant arguments and counter-arguments. I see it as an interesting intellectual adventure in philosophy of science, like going to flat Earth conferences and seeing what works and doesn't work against the faithful!

@markwd 

Well that ought to keep you busy for a good long time! I look forward to it :)

are you serious?

@mahgister Can you provide here one testable claim that shows a flaw in Amir’s approach?

you did not understood a word of what i said it seems...

 Amir has no flaws , it is worst than a flaw  all his methodology is grounded in a misunderstanding of the nature and working of hearing...

Asking me this question proves to me you had not read nor understood what Kunchur, Van Maanen, Magnasco and Oppenheim. Akpan J. Essien and the others  many  experiments said about hearing...  Have you read the two articles i posted about timbre perception and their impact on acoustics understanding ? 

No it seems...

Bodily maps of musical sensations across cultures

Timbral effects on consonance disentangle psychoacoustic mechanisms and suggest perceptual origins for musical scales

 

 

 Why dont you ask Kunchur opinion the expert is him not me ? i am only someone reading him and others:

«

Mr. Majidimehr has serious deficits in his understanding of key concepts:
(1) Signal analysis for evaluating audio fidelity has 2 broad domains: Frequency (spectral) and time (temporal). To focus on only one of these is like approaching audio assessment with only half a brain. A spectrum analyzer focuses on only the first and is not best suited for studying impulse response and transients, which are  influential in defining instrumental timbre. Also Fourier
representations cannot properly describe transfer functions of non-linear and non-time-invariant systems. Mr. Majidimehr’s instrumentation and basis of analyzing audio fidelity is fundamentally
flawed.»

 Why do you think he say that?

Why he is right ?

Because as demonstrated by among others Magnasco and Oppenheim about the Fourier uncertainty  and hearing, we need an "ecological theory of hearing" ...

What is an ecological theory of hearing ?

Do you think Amir know and understand the founder of ecological perception theory one of the greatest psychologist of the last century J.J. Gibson  working for the army of US studying the gaze of pilot driving their plane on aircraft carrier ?

No...

 And you ask me what is the flaw in Amir methods and his use of his tools ?

His flaw is his ideological imposed interpretation of his set of measures as the truth replacing hearings by his dials..

He market ASR he did not scientific research...Kunchur and the others scientists i quoted do science....He mocked them to make a point here discussing his site... thats all ...

A tool manual as dogma  is not science... 

 

 

 

 

Post removed