@kerrybh It's actually a side-project of mine. I'm developing a debunking resource for audiophile myths and collecting together all the relevant arguments and counter-arguments. I see it as an interesting intellectual adventure in philosophy of science, like going to flat Earth conferences and seeing what works and doesn't work against the faithful!
Is ASR for real, or is it only for those sub $1k or even sub $2K?
I did some browsing on the forum and it seems like most don't own very expensive gears. Most of them own mostly sub 1K or 2K gears.
I recently ask about feedback on the Polk R700 but after about a month with no responds. I did a search "ASR Polk R700", with all but one poster which actually owned a pair. Most of them would point you to some measurement and some theoretical discussion but non actually own a pair.
I also looked at a few posts on budget speakers such as the Kef Q7 or Polk R600, but I didn't see any actual owners responding.
I don't mean to knock on them but ASR seems like a lot of hype but very little substance.
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I understand why you are baffled by my posts and why you did not read the 8 articles i proposed arguing with me... You are interested first and last by debunking audiophiles in your own words politely called audiophiles myths which appear to me as preposterous as someone interested to debunk spirits existence before inquiring about their existence to begin with...Then spirits are described as mythic creature... By the way i dont attribute to Amir anything he claim himself : that specs inspector know more and better than human hearing faillibility and biases...It is not even wrong to say this, it is worst: it is an half truth... Acoustics is a real scientific research about humaqn hearing.. You said Kunchur was wrong about cables measures and protocols. Ok but had you read his others articles? Have you read Kunchur criticism of Amir and why he is right ? my 8 articles are about this by the way and only about this, from many different aspects of acoustics... I even recommended a book on acoustics which is completely and only about this...A not well know book... Revolutionary are not always recognized on the spot ... Kunchur abnd all the scientists i recommended are vastly more deep than Amir ...
In science there is no method infallible to debunk as Popper for example proposed to reach truth...When we enter into in inquiry we do so with our own biases and our own whole being mind/heart/soul/body/spirit/ego/persona to begin with, nothing less...
Read a very easy to read book : The Knowledge machine by M Strevens...
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@mahgister Still baffled, man! I'm interested in debunking audiophile myths that are derived from flawed theories, commercial snake-oil, limited testing and evaluation, and simple gullibility. I don't see a logical parallel with "debunk spirits existence before inquiring about their existence to begin with..." For audiophile myths, these can be debunked by showing them to be false. An inquiry into their existence would be to simply read the claims of those who promote such myths. Finally, I read several of your papers back in the day, including Kunchur on cables! I'm not arguing at all about the content of most of them, just that I don't see what you are so vexed about and how this applies to well, just about anything!
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@markwd that sounds interesting. it will be interesting to read what you come up with. Like most of the folks here, I’m a nut for this hobby and so I do find the debate between the objectivist and the subjectivist to be interesting and sometimes even educational. that last thread that got taken down kind of started out that way, but pretty quickly evolved into hurling insults at Amir and him hurling various graphs Back in self-defense, or repeating points that had been made over and over, which is fine, the participants seemed to enjoy it so good for them While i think Amir certainly has a valid point of view, ultimately, I don’t agree with him. I think there’s a little more to it than just measurements. I just don’t have an emotional reaction to him. Others do and they are entitled. One of the interesting things about this hobby and this forum is how jacked up people can get about this stuff. Passionate. |
Subjectivist myths exist... Debunk them... But all these articles i quoted are a debunking of the Amir objectivist stance... Debunk him too ... Me i am not baffled by your post at all ... Why being baffled by mine ? Hearing theory is the only ground to start for debunking anything in audio Audiophiles as well as Amir...Period. All the articles i quoted point to a new ecological theory of hearing... The Kunchur papers on cables are one thing. i am not qualified to judge them , but his others papers are way more interesting and important ...
«"Baffle" can mean to confuse someone completely» I dont think anything i said is confusing at all ... Hearing theory is beyond the ideological stances of audio gangs : audiophiles versus Amir, Audiogon versus ASR banner... What is confusing it is this ridiculous opposition which do not exist in acoustics science... Amir oppose his tools against the ears of audiophiles and the audiophiles trust their ears. it is evident that none of them alone is right .... It is why Kunchur called Amir a guru.... He is evidently right if Amir claim his measures said it all and audiophiles are all deluded consumers...he is evidently right if Amir has no theory of hearing and no clue about it as it is evident reading his answers to Kunchur main article which is not about cables...
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