which excels at Rock and Roll


Room is 14X14' No treatments, but, room currently sounds great. Amp PASS X250.8, Fritz Carbon 7se bookshelves, LA-4 preamp, SVS SB3000 sub, Bricasti M5 streamer, Meitner DAC, only Rock and Roll, 85 or so DB   Considering used, Platimon VC 1, Arendal 15-28,  Marten  Oscar, Acora MRB-1, and Small tower, Devore Fidelity Gibbon super 9. There are others, but, I believe these would be the top contenders, USED?  Any and all responses welcomed. Love my FRITZ and won't sell. Just considering the above. Thanks, Robert TN

robshaw

Absolutely FALSE....but let us get to the bottom of it a bit.

Here are 2 speakers that i personally own, which are made by the same manufacturer even....

Let us consider this track by thin lizzy (one of my test tracks) with Brian Downey on drums doing his thing back during his younger days. Play this track at 100db+ and you couldn’t for the life of me (or for another 50 lifetimes) tell me these 2 speakers are genre agnostic and will fulfill this track the same way. 99% of listeners who have half a wit about rock would pick one of these (and not the other) as their preferred sound, i would bet..

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=W9IXcPeMcpI&si=HeZNvb1_wO5ifsiU

 

 

Or try this...i am sure it is a fan favorite around here for small rooms...Play that track at a 100db+ on this li’l.....and tell me with a straight face that speakers are genre agnostic.

 

Even a speaker savant like Andrew Jones is on record saying that he’d get very shaky if someone asked him to design compression drivers and a big ol’ horn speaker. 

I haven’t seen any speakers on your catalog, but, as an amp designer,, you seem to be repeating this genre agnostic fallacy on different threads. I understand that you are required to cast the widest net possible (to capture as big a market as possible for your product) as a manufacturer, state that your gear would work just great for every genre...I would really hope this forum in not filled with noobs and folks here have a reference point for different types of gear, understand that there is no genre agnostic audio equipment.

You could keep showing a sinad chart, FR chart and keep repeating the fallacy perhaps or the guys at that one "measurements only/no ears" forum might..... But...i really am not sure how you all could repeat this fallacy with a straight face.

 

@robshaw Speakers and electronics don’t care what music you like or don’t and don’t favor a certain genre. That is one of the most common an persistent myths in audio. 

It really is a myth. No-one has found a way to design either amp or speaker to favor a certain musical genre. They are equally good or bad at their jobs regardless of the genre. 

I have Ls 50 metas + powered sub.  This is a very highly regarded setup FOR THE PRICE.  Absolutely genre agnostic as well I would say.   But only up to about 90db SPL in a smaller room.  Again, genre agnostic.  To go louder in bigger rooms there are larger and more expensive models to choose from. 

Lower cost speakers will have more limitations and hence be less genre agnostic as well. Think ls50 with limited bass extension and output or Magnepan lrs with limited bass extension, dynamics and output.  Both have real limits.  Some music will flourish but not all.   But bigger better and more expensive speakers with minor limitations are essentially genre agnostic.  I think that is what @atmasphere means.  Not that you can cut a lot of corners and still get it all with all music. 

Do you go to rock concerts much? Do you have a clear reference point in your mind for how rock concerts tend to sound? I was just at a Mdou moctar (the African jimi hendrix) concert in a smaller venue.... Never once did i clock anywhere less than a 100db and i was sitting way back..110 easy...visceral bass from a stack of huge pro subs that just never happened in your room.

I was at a deep purple concert some years ago...unbelievable resolution and clarity in a large venue at that high a spl level. 

The speakers might start to look like this...paired with a huge stack of pro subs. I have maybe 1 speaker and a big ol’ pro sub that can attempt to recreate something similar in a smaller home setting. I have lots of other speakers that just can’t do that....I am honest enough to admit that my gear has limitations. But, somehow, a ls50 is able to do all of that for you? Such a thing doesn’t happen. Go to a few concerts, refresh your sonic memory.

 

I have Ls 50 metas + powered sub.  This is a very highly regarded setup FOR THE PRICE.  Absolutely genre agnostic as well I would say.   But only up to about 90db SPL in a smaller room.  Again, genre agnostic.  To go louder in bigger rooms there are larger and more expensive models to choose from. 

@deep_333 are you talking to me?  I’ve been to countless concerts of all types many with excellent sound and I take my SPL meter app with me to measure volumes, often over 100db. I just related that little ls50s cannot deliver what bigger speakers of similar quality can. But they can deliver all genres very well in smaller rooms with a sub up to ~90 db SPL. So no disagreement there.  It’s the bigger high quality speakers that are good enough to do all genres well in larger rooms/venues.  Like my big Ohm F5s in my larger room.  Or higher efficiency pro speakers used in concert venues. Crazy to suggest any speaker Ls 50 size could work well alone for a loud rock concert in any size venue.