News help choosing a SACD Player / transport


I am very satisfied with my actual system and I like specially my Lampizator DAC sound.

On the other hand, I have some SACD discs which I have ripped, but I feel I do not get same quality when listening to them using a Esoteric player, that a friend has lent for testing if I find differences with the ripped files.

Please, need advice on a SACD player or transport that I could connect to my DAC USING the SACD layer (DSD)

Price is not the main driver although I prefer staying under $5000 and used gear is acceptable.

corente

I have an Esoteric K-05X, that I bought slightly loved. Great value IMO.

I’ve got a Lampizator big 7 dac - as well as an oppo sacd player and a pro ject rad standard red book transport - 

I’ve given up on DSD - even though my dac will play DSD.  Sacd are mostly multi channel - and the only way I can successfully play an sacd layer is to use the dac in the oppo and output all analog channels to my multi channel ht processor 

ive also found that there are few sacd recordings recorded well enough to bother with the hassle - red book cd’s on the pro ject transport sound better than the tidal streamed equivalent - but it mostly depends on the quality of the original recording -  and how many copies of dire straits / pink Floyd and steely Dan do you need to have 

id rather listen to discs through my two channel set up than the multi channel home theatre set up as the fidelity is better 

I thought your objective was to output native DSD.  Many responded with products that output DSD by DOP.  The only two transports I know that output native DSD are the PS Audio Perfect Wave and the Metronome DST.   I am sure there may be others.  I have not auditioned either, so I have no recommendation.  Rather, my recommendation is to purchase a server-streamer that outputs native DSD downloads from the server such as an Aurender N200 or a preowned N20.   Native DSD is output by USB only.  I believe your DAC has a USB input.   I may be wrong.  I noticed from your profile you are using a MiniMac.  Either Aurender will give significantly improved SQ to that.  The counterpoint is that you will need to purchase your favorite SACDs as Native DSD downloads and some may not be available.   Otherwise, you need to resign yourself to a player not connected to your DAC or conversion to PCM.  
 

BTW: Other than using the MiniMac, phenomenal system.  

@jsalerno277 
My objective is as easy (or as dificultt) as getting a similar quality when playing bought DSD files and DSD files ripped from a SACD (perhaps I do not correctly the ripping but for sure  that is not my path)

The only real comparison I have been able to do is with one SACD and its equivalent DSD bought from NativeDSD. SACD played thru Esoteric K05 and DSD file played thru my system: I prefer my system (I use USB)

The other comparisons made are files ripped from SACDs vs. the SACD (these SACDs are vey relevant recordings of classical symphonic music not available as files) and I prefer the Esoteric. It is just the contrary with CDs.

So my first priority is to get some type of SACD transport or player: Onyx Zenith transport or Esoteric K05 or ....

Second is to change Mac mini, but money is first for the other. I have used for several days Bluesound (worse) two models of Innuos (slightly worse and very slightly better) and the Lampizator server and the only sounding clearly better than my Mac mini was the Lampizator streaming vs. streaming.

Frankly speaking, to buy a new equipment to listen to a few discs a little better, having other very good modern renditions is a little crazy but at the end "audiophilia" and "melomanía"is perhaps for crazy people.

I understand the issue better now.   I have the following comments:  

  1. It is highly unlikely it is the ripping process from a SACD to a native DSD or DFF file if you are using equipment specified by the software product you use and you are following their instructions.  The reason for this is that the SACD and the ripping protocol have multiple error correction protocols to assure bit perfect file transfers.  The error correction protocol for SACD and DSD/DFF (Scarlet Book) is more robust than for Red-Book CDs.  Therefore, I believe your rips to be bit perfect.  These ripped files should be bit perfect compared to the same downloaded DSD/DFF files, as long as it is the same master file version.  Also, SACDs are compressed and uncompressed on playback; however, it is my understanding that when ripped, the uncompressed file is downloaded.   I believe this is not an issue.  I invite comments from those more knowledgeable on this latter issue, but I do not see this as a cause.  
  2. When you compared ripped files to SACD, did you compare them using the Esoteric K05 DAC function for decoding the ripped file to the Esoteric K05 playing the SACD?  This is the best comparison you can do at this point.  You are actually comparing the SQ of the Lampizator to the Esoteric (SACD played thru Esoteric K05 and DSD file played thru my system: I prefer my system).  This seems logical.  The Lampizator is a far more musical product, as good as the Esoteric is.  
  3. I believe the differences you are hearing are related to differences in the playback system and the use of the Mac Mini which is introducing EMI, clocking errors (jitter), and power supply noise.  

​​​​​​​My recommendation is to forget adding a new SACD transport.  You have a phenomenal DAC.  Focus on finding a server-streamer of equal quality to your DAC.  Burn your discs and download you files to the server.  Do not look back.  Obviously, you can leverage house sound synergy by going with a Lampizator Gulf Stream.  I recommended an Aurender N200 or a preowned N20.  Both a little over your budget.  It is by leaving the computer in your past that I believe you will achieve the best sound quality.  
 

if you are mindset on a transport, I recommended two above your budget.  The Onyx Zenith recommended above by another member is also an option.  I cannot make a recommendation.  I have not auditioned them.