AI and how you use it.

Everything you said is already in your first message, which I was agreeing with  already and i said it, but i  added new things you don’t see and instead of being curious you decided to reject all that as "non sense" . So  now you’re repeating it in a second post to object my own interpretation with arguments that in no way contradict what I’m talking about.But you are interested in getting a point over me not by my opinion and what i means. 

Your definition of an agent is purely ideological and materialistic. It’s not false, just a half-truth...
You are free to analyze AI in the closed system of your choice, namely human society, but the universe didn’t wait for us to create artificial intelligence. So there’s much more to it than a simple political struggle.

You misinterpreted my assertion of large-scale artificial intelligence by talking about "inevitability." I was talking about freedom and the collective and individual consciousness necessary for understanding the tripartite human social fabric instead of the absurd binary oppositions: matter-spirit, left-right, capitalism-communism, etc.I was preoccupied by the fact our social fabric is immature . We are on the brink of many crisis right now.

You are projecting your own rejection of the spirit onto my message; many of our contemporaries are techno-cultists, if not materialists.It seems you are one.

"Nanobrain" is a scientific work whose core is mathematical. It doesn’t talk about cosmic AI but about the mathematical rules necessary to create an autonomous brain.( an autonomous consciousness not just an intelligent agent)

Otherwise, you are stating the obvious, and anyone can only agree with the obvious me included.

Goethe’s Faust is not just a lesson about visible powers, which would make the work trivial if that were the case.

Since you don’t subscribe to any spiritual vision, everything I’ve said and alluded to can only be seen as mythology.

For my part, all your talk, which I naturally agree with—we are free and masters of our destiny—is nothing but common place evidence. Like every major event in history, AI is a spiritual test whose goal is the elevation of consciousness.

You don’t like the word "spiritual," so everything I say is mythological nonsense.

You haven’t read "Nanobrain," and you declare that if "my little brain" can’t pass this test, neither can the author of "Nanobrain"  but you and humanity can... that last line reveals a bit of insincerity and is a bit insulting...

Read "nanobrain" and come back, and we will be able to speak about artificial consciousness and human consciousness,  A.C. is not A. I.  (not just artificial intelligence or AGI to come)   and we will be able to speak about  their difference, mathematically speaking. 

A clue: the difference between artificial consciousness mathematically speaking and  Natural living consciousness is not explained as such  in this book, then you would be dependent on my opinion  to get it explicitly, it is related to number theory (another clue) ... But read it and come back explaining it to me  and i will takes your rejection of my opinion seriously...

My "Nanobrain" work well ...

I am curious to know why you dont even questionned me about  the name of the scientist investigating consciousness i read, the name of the dude observing aliens actions, or the name of the seer who speak also the same discourse , these three did not even know one another. Why not one minute of curiosity instead of a rebuttal of my discourse?

It is easy to know why...

@ghdprentice 

@mahgister 

Wow.

Using AI is an extension into a new Norm.  OK it does what it does. But the real challenging question is where will it lead? We're only a little bit into this process. And in such a short period of time. Society is giving into all the pressures of building out this mega Capital cycle that is uncharted. Basically it's a whole bunch of warehouses electrifying Computer chips.  Let Nothing standing in their way.  as we all are amused by the efforts of the geeks.

Unfortunately the backdrop to all of this is the destruction of an amazing environment. Thank God we have clean coal now.

Using AI is an extension into a new Norm.  OK it does what it does. But the real challenging question is where will it lead? We’re only a little bit into this process. And in such a short period of time. Society is giving into all the pressures of building out this mega Capital cycle that is uncharted. Basically it’s a whole bunch of warehouses electrifying Computer chips.  Let Nothing standing in their way.  as we all are amused by the efforts of the geeks.

Very well said... Thanks...

Some called this "progress" but brained washed by oligarchic power and science specialization they refused to see the social cost to pay...

I am not against A.I. i am for the improvement necessary for a growing immature social fabric into maturity...And A.I. is no help for this...

We are very far from it...

 Then A.I.  could not be beneficial ...

There is a trade-off  in the core of the Faust drama between  each part of ourselves. One part is driven to power the other part driven to love and wisdom.

There is another trade-off : when we trust the machine for thinking our own thinking decline...

 There is a reason why Hinton quit  his post at Google...

 There is a reason why Bengio and Tegmark  ask for thinking ...

There is a reason why most oligarchs ask for more money and more speed: it is power...

There is a reason why Van der Leyen,  the witch of the European union just said this week that the digital money and tracking are inescapable and China is the model ...

And as i said i prefered to be an informed Amish than a cyborg...

I will not go into the "spiritual" and mathematical aspects,  some are disturbed by the word "soul"  and i dont think that they understand  what is at stake...

This was just fun. But I seriously use AI to help write. I am writing about consciousness and social reality. I create the thoughts and content and have it put them in order and flesh it out. It is restating my own thoughts and ideas, but getting rid of the drudgery of organizing and polishing. 
 

I do diagrams in sketch form in OneNote on an iPad and have AI turn it into a professional looking illustration. 

I am constantly having ideas that need either more background in something like history... say Russian ideology in the early eighteen hundreds or research on some esoteric brain function. Instead of stopping and getting a book... I get and instant outline. 

Also, fixing almost anything. My second story windows need cleaning, I don't want to use a ladder. What is helpful.

It is an every day tool to research and let my mind explore the universe faster with less time wasted on mundane tasks. 

Nobody can negate the usefulness of A.I. as a tool...

Just for health research and medecine it will be revolutionary...

It can give a short resume of a book of 1000 pages in few seconds...

 But in the context of a more general discussion, A.I. is also a threat for an immature social fabric. not just a political threat because it could be used by oligarchs to exert control upon the mass, it is already used this way.

It is a spiritual threat because of the trade-off implied ( the more we use it the less we work with our brain speaking for the mass here not for the creative minorities)  and the dependence it imply.

More than that it is a door open for spiritual unknown forces and entities. But here i could not go further in this thread.  It is why in a deeper way we are us humans the tools for A.I. it is already the case that we are mere tools for the machine but it is not apparent.

That was my point.

Now an anecdote:

I remember a story I read 50 years ago, taken from a century-old pedagogy book, written by a very profound educator.

This very wise and learned professor, teaching pedagogy in the 1920s, said this to future teachers:

Dear friends, children are not small animals but highly evolved intelligent beings in their spiritual aspect, and if they constantly see you reading a book in front of them to "inform" them, these highly evolved and very ancient beings within them will whisper in their ear, without them consciously paying attention, the following message: "You too, when you  will be a grown up adult, you  will be able to read this book like him. Today, rest and dream without worrying about what he read."

AI will have the same negative effect on today’s beings. Not on everyone; there’s always been a minority who have been enlightened for a long time, but on the majority of people, the effect will be negative from an intellectual and spiritual point of view.

What the student asks of his little calculator, he no longer asks of his brain...

AI has a cost; there’s no free lunch.