Help! Looking for a DAC with some unique ablities...


Ok, maybe I'm wrong in thinking unique. Here's the situation:

Currently using a Bluesound to Luxman CL-38uc to a pair of Luxman M383 driving Eggleston Works Andra 2.

On the one hand I want to upgrade the DAC and possibly streamer side of things (I'm willing to continue using tthe Bluesound for streaming and upgrade that down the road)

On the other hand the one aspect of using the Bluedude that I really don't want to give up is the ability to use the app from anywhere in the house and control what I listen to and the volume. (I leave the preamp volume at a high level and then the Bluedude can control the volume with the variable out.)  Far from the best option for sound quality but it sure makes life easy! 

So... Is there a DAC out there that has a phone app to control it and variable balanced outputs?

A second option could be a combined streamer/DAC I suppose that has a phone app and variable balanced outputs.

I know ultimately all are compromised options vs sending the processed signal directly to the pre-amp and then utlizing the volume knob on the preamp. But when I'm listening to music 40-50 feet away (not sitting in the music seat!) then the abilitiy to control the music trumps the quality. Still I'd like to do what I can to limit the qualiy losses and improve what I have.

Any good opinions out there?

Thanks, E.

everhard

@panzrwagn factor 10. at 24 bit so ~16M steps, loud at level 10M, 10x less at level 1M.

The term "data" is not restricted to digital realm. A vinyl record contains data. Analog signal contains data/information. Whether volume control is carried out in digital or analog domain, it reduces the signal/data. Basic information theory.

Definition of resolution is the ability to transmit fine-scale information. So you could record the speaker and compare the recording to the original data stream. The difference in information content is the loss of resolution. With speakers being sonically the most variable component, variability = low fidelity (true to the source), it is clearly having the greatest effect on sound reproduction (except room maybe). As nothing good can be added, it can only loose information, and typically loss happens at the fine grained end, so loss of resolution. Really not rocket science.

Re noise floor, yes, correct mathematically, irrelevant on a practical normal listening level. You need to learn to figure out what is relevant, put things into perspective.

If your regular listening is at 85–90 dB, I pity your ears, or what's left of them.

@everhard Re using/bypassing digital/analog volume, you can easily check whether you can hear a difference by comparing the two volume controls. In a reasonable middle ground (say within 20–80% of digital volume), I would be surprised if you can hear anything.

In theory, you could even go from digital device with volume control straight to power amp (start at low volume) and check effect of preamp on sound. 

In theory, you could even go from digital device with volume control straight to power amp (start at low volume) and check effect of preamp on sound.

@oberoniaomnia One could, and I did. There was a difference. There was a massive difference actually. Folks who believe preamplifiers are obsolete and a DAC with a digital volume control is all that's needed are setting themselves up for disappointment.

 

AGD just came out with this DAC/Streamer  and Mike11 is giving a review 

https://youtu.be/-Pz2ymMFZxM?si=6hm910HkMAEiBKrc

@jrwaudio ya. R2R streamer/dac with analog pre, analog and spdif digital inputs, balanced and single ended outs, and sub outs. He says he has the exclusive on this $8K piece for $7.5K

I second the recommendation made by Fastfreight.  The Mola Mola Tambaqui DAC has everything you're looking for plus the finest sound quality anywhere near its asking price.  And if you want it integrated into the preamp, the Mola Mola Makua can come with an onboard DAC (basically an internal Tambaqui).  The Mola Mola is it!