Let's talk music, no genre boundaries


This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.

 

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My favorite piano Works in the XX Century is Scriabin first, Then Shostakovich second but certainly Sorabji as a third...

Sorabji is incredible genius like Scriabin but as much as  Scriabin appeared spiritual  guide for humanity to me as much Sorabji appear to me as a mad genius whose piece can be irritating obsessive but life changing too ...

John Ogdon , a giant  pianist i discovered in  Busoni Piano concerto created the greatest version of the Clavicem Ballisticum  but this is not for all people the works is almost 5 hours , Dont buy anything but Ogdon by the way it takes a mad pianist with ferocious gift to play this piece :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxcD2yo1nlI&list=RDyxcD2yo1nlI&start_radio=1

 

But the best if you dont know Sorabji the more easy piece and also one of the most beautiful, is "the perfumed garden" and if you dont like this piece you dont like piano  : 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vE2d28yjI4&list=RD8vE2d28yjI4&start_radio=1&t=14s

Or played here by Sorabji himself..:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZs01TevxbM&list=RDVZs01TevxbM&start_radio=1

 

 Musical time in Sorabji escape linear succession not as in Scriabin case which resemble a ladder we ascend or descend from time to eternity and back in one second, but  in Sorabji case as a circular complex labyrinth existing in eternity and from which there is no escape no beginning no end, no reason, save the infinite variation itself......

 

By "hasard" of life i encountered personally  the greatest specialist of Sorabji music many times and it enlightened me, i did not knew who Roberge was ..I was in my Busoni Faust discovery ( one of my rare favorite opera and the greatest performance of Dietrich fisher Dieskau with Schubert lieds) and i advocated for it to Roberge who answered me saying he was a musicologist specialist of Busoni as well as for Sorabji and this push me toward Sorabji ...it was 25 years ago ...

Here what he wrote :

«"Producing Evidence for the Beatification of a Composer: Sorabji’s Deification of Busoni" is an article by Marc-André Roberge published in The Music Review in 1993 (with publication in May 1996) that analyzes the intense and adulatory relationship between composer Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji and Ferruccio Busoni, suggesting Sorabji built an extensive body of work to elevate Busoni to a saintly status. The article discusses Sorabji’s persistent advocacy for composers like Busoni, who were not initially recognized by the musical establishment, and how Sorabji acted as a champion for them.

  • The core of the article is Sorabji’s boundless and unique admiration for Ferruccio Busoni. 
     
  • "Producing evidence" for beatification:
    Roberge argues that Sorabji’s extensive writings, particularly his critical essays and other publications, were a deliberate effort to compile "evidence" and promote Busoni to a near-deified or "beatified" status within the musical world. 
  • Sorabji as a controversial advocate:
    The piece touches on how Sorabji’s passionate advocacy for unrecognized but significant composers (including Busoni, Alkan, Mahler, and others) made him appear eccentric to many readers of his time, though his judgment has been validated by the composers’ current high status. »

@stuartk, @mahgister 

There is a wealth of Tatiana Nikolaeva on Qobuz. At least 40 albums. I am listening to her playing Bach's Goldberg Variations. A work I know well played by Glenn Gould, considered highly on Bach's piano music.

@mahgister 

Do you know Artur Schnabel's playing? If so, what do you think of him? 

@mahgister 

Do you know Artur Schnabel’s playing? If so, what do you think of him? 

Schnabel is recognized as a giant ...

But here i repeat what i know and recognized when i listened to him...

But you must know that i can only speak for the few musicians or composers i listened a great amount of time...

to be short, i am obsessive mind and if i fall in love with a musician i cannot stop listening to him...At the expanse of others... Love has a price or ask for a duty...

But you must know that i dont fall in love with many musicians, sometimes i miss or stay indifferent  to  true great musician...The heart is not neutral...

I cannot understand why i love Sofronitsky or Yudina so much  compared to others for example, be it Richter or Gilels..

it is a love affair motivated spiritually by my own soul journey...

The other reason i see, i dont listen often Beethoven piano pieces and Schnabel  is a giant here... I am in love with Beethoven quartets as the key to his soul...

I cannot explain it ... Ask frogman, he is a musician and less obsessed than i am, more "objective" in a way and more knowledgeable ...angeldevilcool

 

It seems that a new version of the "mount Everest" of piano work, the Clavicem Ballisticum of Sorabji was recorded and rival Ogdon majestic madness with a more deep analytical insight in the piece...

I will buy it for sure...

I have 20 box of Sorabi music...cool

The clavicem box is 5 hours ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PCCGC3nFBU&list=PL9GK1dCgxUgxk-Aej5ibP6ntEdOSQq9xX

Here an article of Gramophone about it :

https://www.gramophone.co.uk/international-piano/review/article/review-sorabji-opus-clavicembalisticum-daan-vandewalle

 

I doubt it will beat Ogdon madness but i love too much Sorabji  to let it go ...

 

By the way the Top Sorabji box is the incredible  Ullen  100 transcendental studies  7 cd ...

It is what is the heart of Sorabji for me :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsunU1Jyigk&list=PLRs_FxzJLU50ArgMv2Ykm9IUsELIYwoML

If the clavicem is Mount Everest of Piano by the difficulties  the transcendental Studies are Mount Erebus in Antartica, so varied, so strange, so fascinating , it is after for the beginner "perfumed garden" album the box we must buy at all cost if we love Sorabji ...

 For those who love Book, Roberge has written the authoritative book on Sorabji, 641 pages.the full book is free PDF here :

https://www.sorabji-archive.co.uk/books/opus-sorabjianum.php

 

 There is also but harder to find books autobiographical and philosophical written by Sorabji himself ...