Let's talk music, no genre boundaries
This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.
By the way in the last 2 days i enjoyed 12 hours of Vivaldi "I musici" Vivaldi albums... There is no spiritual depth in his concerti at all, only pure joy... I bet i am a normal dude even if my most precious music exihbit "spiritual depth"... I pity those who do not even recognize "spiritual depths"... I love Vivaldi as much as Scriabin "spiritual depth" by the way and will never claim that Vivaldi is inferior to Scriabin genius... I hope i had been clear...
By the way it need a good audio system to enjoy the high frequencies range of violins for 12 hours almost non stop ... I had one... Violin sound like honey butter between hot and cold...
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@audio-b-dog - I glance at this thread now and then. My take is that if I want spirituality, I'd go to some church, but I don't do spirituality or churches. I don't experience any art form for 'spirituality'. I like my arts, be they music, films, television, or books, visceral.... Different people get different things from the arts. |
"spiritual depth" is not a religious experience linked to a piece of religious music for me... This is a common place Lapalissade association by superficial look...
"spiritual depth" in music is linked to the " felt change of consciousness" Owen Barfield defined and associated with the way words/sounds/rythms are used in poetry...In the same way musicians can use music language of their culture and timbre mastery to create real "spiritual experiences" not just "fun" or a designed orthodox religious celebration.
"visceral" on the other way refer back to the property of music to speak trough the "timbre experience" which is a universal experience lived trough our body sensation nevermind the differences of culture... you read it here :
Bodily maps of musical sensations across cultureshttps://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308859121
Timbral effects on consonance disentangle psychoacoustic mechanisms and suggest perceptual origins for musical scales: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45812-z
The reason why this is such is explained by this acoustician in his book here an article :
The Mechanical Invariance Factor in Musical Acoustics and Perception (Revisited)https://sciencepublishinggroup.com/article/10.11648/10026300
This article can help to understand all the others above : «Building on the current results, the researchers are now investigating how human hearing is more finely tuned toward natural sounds, and also studying the temporal factor in hearing.»
I insisted on "musical time" so much in this thread the reason is explained here in the lastarticle under these lines and why musical time cannot be measured by linear clock...Furtwangler knew it in a way Toscanini did not...(Gergiev Russian maestro) Human hearing beats the Fourier uncertainty principlehttps://phys.org/news/2013-02-human-fourier-uncertainty-principle.html
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For sure we can as the ignorant crowd of consumers speak only about music "fun" visceral or not ... But i am not member of this crowd... The most powerful music must be visceral in his effect for sure but it is not enough to create "a felt change in consciousness" the effect like Marian Anderson create singing anything,or in the didgeridoo experience, or with some talking Nigerian Yoruba drum experience or with a sarod master or with some Hildegard of Bingen etc we must add "consciousness change" tools and means to our visceral perceiving metabolism . Music experience is precisely the indifferentied/differentiated action of meaning as sound and sound as meaning through our body and mind as an internal pluralities appearing as ONE gesture. Then spiritual musical experience can be created by "love supreme" playing which is not religious music at all ...
«Why do you like eating cadavers marinated in underwater for so long ? I cannot explain said the crocodile, it is "visceral" » Anonymus zoologist |
