Fritz carbon 7SE MK 2, Upgrade


I hate the title above, but didn't know how to phrase it. Current system is secondary one, but, great otherwise. ATI  6002 AMP, Benchmark LA-4 preamp,  Meitner DAC MA1 V2, Bricasti M5, above mentioned FRITZ speakers, SVS SB 3000 SUB, Streaming Audirvana via Qobuz. 13x14' room, open door to bathroom and another to common hallway. ONLY play Rock and roll  85 to low 90's    Zeppelin, Rush, Pink Floyd, I could go on. Love my FRITZ, not sure why I'm posting. (will never sell)     Is there a speaker that is stand amount (bookshelf),  possibly small floor stander that will play superior to what I have (rock and roll) that is a dramatic upgrade sound wise. Will be keeping sub in place, currently crossed at 60.  Have been looking off and on for Joseph audio pulsar Graphene, whether that is the correct direction.  Have no way of demoing speaker in house, live an hour from Nashville. Willing to drive some though!  Looking used up to 6k, a bucket list speaker, if you will. You folks at audiogon have helped me in the past, thank you all very much. Robert TN

robshaw

I would like to thank the following for your help and expertise that I don't have, or would like to. SOIX< THRIFTYAUDIO<JASTRALFU AND CHAYRO.  All had a lot of great advice. Don't really understand the sweet spot ref: on the ATC's?  I may adjust the crossover a bit as suggested, the second sub in this room would be great, just don't have the room.  Like I said,will never sell the FRITZ, they are that good, at least in my situation with rock and roll. I am not in a great hurry, just getting older as I speak, just very curious!  Also wondering if a Joseph audio perspective (USED) would  be a giant step up, overkill, too much for the smaller room, or maybe Nirvana??????? Thank again Robert

eric_squires/zlone   thanks also. Everyone has the voice of reason, but me. The phrase, NOT BETTER,  BUT DIFFERENT strikes a logical cord!  My  current ATI amp has the current and power to drive most anything. ATC has always intrigued me, but, the Joseph audio has also.  TAD does also, but, my wallet says differently.  Used should open some doors,maybe. I'll keep all posted. Robert

After thinking about it and although I do think the Pulsars will provide some improvements maybe most notably in the bass and possibly in imaging and 3D soundstage they probably are more alike to your speakers than different overall.  So if you’re looking for something really good but different I’d look to ATC especially given the music you listen to.  Neither the Fritz nor JA speakers can match the power and dynamics of the ATC speakers especially in the all-important midrange, and it really shines on rock although other genres benefit too .  Here are some used FYI, but the dealer I linked previously offers returns and a 10% discount so may be a good way to demo and hear what I’m talking about.  Since you have a sub the SCM19s could well be fine and quite a bit cheaper than the SCM20s and are probably the sweet spot in the range.  Read the reviews that are pretty much all glowing, and they’re also used as reference speakers by several reviewers that says something as well.  Anyway…

https://www.ebay.com/itm/146445085555

https://tmraudio.com/fresh-arrivals/atc-scm19-v2-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-pair-open-box/

 

What I found listening to other speakers is exactly what @erik_squires suggests, different but definitely not better.  And not different enough to justify the price, at least to me.  I can’t stress enough to go listen first if you can.  I went looking for a different sound and bought some Falcon Q7 gold badges.  They are a nice change but I wouldn’t recommend them for the music you’re talking about.  They are great for vocals and good for some jazz.  I only mention them wrt finding a different presentation. 

@robshaw We showed with the Fritz Carbon 7s last year at AXPONA. I found them quite transparent and neutral. We ran them with a sub crossed at about 55Hz. I run Carbon 6s in my bedroom system, using an amp of only 5 Watts/channel. It will be a hard sale to convince me to replace them.