Brain Farts w/ Roon Nucleus


I have an original Roon Nucleus with a SSD drive in it.  Around 3GB of music.  Together with Tidal, Roon tells me that I have 2039 Artists, 4312 Albums, 61239 tracks, and 136 composers.  That is likely more than most users, but not as many as some of you, so I have read.
 

On a fairly regular basis, Roon has these brain farts moments, lasting 10-15 minutes, where I get the twirling Roon Icon and the system is shut down from playback.  It always eventually comes back. I don’t know the technical term, but I think it is a resort, reorganizing, re-something to the whole data base of music.  It always happens at the most inopportune time. Roon online forum has never come clean for me with an answer/fix.

I have revamped my Ethernet cabling and both the Roon Nucleus and the DAC/Streamer are mainlined, so I know it is not network drop outs.

I’ve read that others have had a similar problem, but never read a solution.  I have been looking into several angles to stop this.  (1) Upgrade to the Roon Nucleus Titan. (2) Checking out to see if some other Roon Ready Server is a better functioning piece of equipment, like the Innous.

I have two DACs/Servers in the house - BlueSound & dCS Lina - and they both have the same brain farts with Roon.  

I really like the functionality of Roon on the Nucleus.  My issue is not sound quality of Roon, it is the performance.  I must admit, that in all of my reading I have not been able to compare the functionality of a Roon Ready Innous vs. Roon Nucleus, or any other Streamer that folks mention here on the forum.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

pgaulke60

When I was struggling with Roon and my Nucleus + Roon support advised me to install more memory...which I did....it did not solve my problems  

I've had the same issue with Roon for three years and don't believe its anything to do with the Nucleus. I have mine hardwired and have my Lumin P1 hardwired. The only conclusion I've arrived at is the Eero mesh system I use must be routing my laptop (which I use to control Roon) on one channel and the hardwired system is confused by this. I also have a hardwired ethernet connection cable that I can use on my laptop to have it, the nucleus and the Lumin all hardwired. It seems to happen less often this way but still is not rock solid, perfect 100% of the time. Annoying for sure which is why I keep a bluesound set up hooked up and attached to the Lumin too- when Roon acts up i switch over to the bluesound and stream into the Lumin. The bluesound is 100% reliable and always works. I gave up on the Roon forums- every question you post is answered with them wanting to know every single aspect of your devices, ip addresses, switches, etc - endless questions and they always blame it on your set up, not their software.  

Well to confuse things even further I've found Roon has improved quite a bit overall since teh Harmon purchase.

 

Beefier hardware with more/faster CPU and memory  is key for sure.  When I upgrade it will most likely be to a Mac mini.  But no rush...it works just fine for me now though I understand where it could be overwhelming for less technical people.  I do this stuff for a living so I am used to it but have no doubt its totally overwhelming for many.   Really good things are seldom also really easy.  There are other less complicated options out there if needed.  Different strokes.

 

I have roon and nucleus, lifetime roon user. I hate annual fees.

 

I’m not thrilled with how roon handles file management issues as well as connectivity issues with a Microsoft desktop.  Incredibly technical and the interfaces are really glitchy. But I do like the album descriptions they draft.

I don’t know if anyone else has trouble with the file management system and yes the support is dreadful. Would be nice if you could speak to someone on the phone. But the forum offered does have people who respond. 

 

Roon can be very CPU intensive.  I run it on a very modest powered device that works well but often bottlenecks on CPU.  Will likely move to a faster device with more CPU horsepower at some point.  
 

Personally I think the CPU requirements for Roon core are somewhat exaggerated.  I run mine on an AMD 5600G and never have an issue.  Not sure how this compares to a Nucleus.  The CPU intense work, except during upgrades, is the DSP if you have it enabled as well as any conversions, especially from PCM to DSD.  

Otherwise I hardly ever see it use very much at all.  Of course that’s all relative. :) 

I understand that the OP doesn’t want to lift the hood... but that may be the least expensive option.  If the OP was able to run top or better yet, nmon, and watch what happens when it brain farts he may learn a lot.  

It could all be bad Roon.  Bad.  Or it could be a lot of other things like a bad drive or intermittent network which causes the system to stall.