How much do I need to spend to make vinyl sound better than digital?


All,

I have a solid vinyl setup that I like to think of as entry-level “plus:” Project Debut Pro with Sumiko Moonstone cartridge.  I enjoy vinyl for the ritual but find that my digital gear - a $400 ifi streamer and the AKM DAC built into my Anthem preamp - beats the analog rig in most ways.  Far better imaging/soundstage and much tighter bass without the occasional distortion/sibilance/warbling of the vinyl rig.  I haven’t messed with cartridge setup other than to check the factory-performed alignment, which looks perfect.  The table is perfectly balanced, counterweight set correctly with an electronic scale, etc - so I have no reason to think there’s a setup problem.  
 

Is this par for the course for this level of vinyl gear?  What do I need to spend to get my vinyl gear to match the performance of decent digital?  I’m thinking of upgrading to a Clearaudio Concept, perhaps with a Hana SL cartridge, but I want to make sure doing that is going to deliver a fundamentally different experience than what I have right now with the Project/Sumiko combination.

 

No interest in flame wars or rehashing the vinyl/digital debate.  I know vinyl can sound wonderful and am simply trying to decide whether I can afford the price of entry for a system that can gets the basics right (no audible distortion/sibilance, decent imaging).  I thought the Project/Sumiko would have gotten me there, but for whatever reason it hasn’t fit the bill.Thanks for any insights. 

lousyreeds1

I’ve spent about $55,000 on my system over 57 years. 

Not only does the vinyl sound much better than digital, but I can hear when an LP is AAA vs ADA or DDA. 

To  be fair, I’ve invested more - way more - in the analog end than the digital end. I have 6,000 LPs and 400 CDs. 

Digital beats vinyl when the budgets are smaller. As the budgets get larger, then vinyl tends to win out. 

And don’t waste a whole lot of money on cables. Cables should have good enough shielding to deliver a signal efficiently, without degradation especially from RF interference. The rest is audiophile voodoo.  

In my experience. Mileage may vary. No. Mileage will vary. 

And take care of those LPs. An original press in NM condition is always better than the reissue, and almost always better than the remastered version. 

theaudioatticvinylsundays.com

@inagroove 

What is the point of spending $100,000 on a vinyl front end when one can bring one’s listeners to tears with only $16,000? 

I would be Bawling crying without constraint if I was parting with $16K where the cost is just to replay a Vinyl LP.

Today in modern Vinyl Outlets the average Customer is in their Teens to Early 20's, after witnessing enthusiasms being expressed and inquiries occasionally heard being made to store staff, I will give them a Fledgling Audiophile Status for their interest shown in the Vinyl Medium. I see my starting place in life in these young individuals  but at my time at this age, CD had made Vinyl LP Purchasing very very affordable.    

Vinyl LP's on sale are typically between £15 - £35, so for a individual fighting their way with modern cost for living being so expensive, these are luxury purchases, Beans on Toast for the Week can easily be the compromise for the Spend.

TT > Tonearm > Cartridges offered by these same Vinyl LP Stores are typically costing between £300 - £1200. Using these prices as a guideline, I strongly suggest this is the price that a young individual with an interest in collecting Vinyl LP's, who are a Fledgling Audiophile Status, is of the opinion are the monies needed to be outlaid for them to have aspired to a High Quality Vinyl Replay.

My own first spins of replaying Vinyl were undertaken on a much lesser capable Turntable Set Up.

In current times and with what I have come to know and deliberately limit myself to as an intent to investigate.

I have discovered enough where I have not needed to part with $16K as a singular outlay to have a Vinyl Source that has been substantially good as a performer. My Vinyl Source has created a filled un-emptying room at venues where I have exhibited to the Public in attendance at the event.

Sticking solely to the Vinyl Source and Phonostage, an early guise of this set has been achieved at approx' 1/3rd of the $16K. This same guise of set up remains in use but has been built upon with additional options, obviously with added costs.

If I was approached under the notion I was needing to Spend $30K -  $100K to surpass where I am now with my Vinyl Source, I would laughlaugh uncontrollably, and hopefully be able to finish with a politeness off saying "no thanks not today".

The idea of a Cartridge Purchase, with all the fragilities a Cartridge comes with,  costing approx' $4 an hour if it lasts for the 1000 hours is a cause of disquiet for myself. I have been quite successful in having equivalent quality Cart's bespoke produced at a 1/4 of the cost of a New Branded Cart'. 

Similar is adopted for the TT and TA which are currently in use and as designs have superseded the other configurations for a TT > Tonearm once used.

The changes occurred when I made discoveries that had a profound effect, the experiences that followed were very unusual and proved to be compelling to be maintained.

The experiences had resulted in my letting those that really know their way through what is required for the Electronics and Mechanical Engineering for the TT and TA being commissioned to produce their best practices for such devices. For myself I am a convert to the selected designs and have never looked back, I am fully arrived. 

With all this occurring in not too long a time line, it was quite noticeable that the Digital Source was in need, the Vinyl Source was the barometer for where the Digital Sound can head towards.

After different Trials and eventually taking a Punt by adopting the use of a Bespoke Commission Built Valve DAC that needed to be imported. There is today a Digital Source / Analogue Source readily available, that shares a Parity in the good impression belonging to eithers End Sound being created.