Critical listening and altered states

Huh. I always thought THC was a mild hallucinogen.

"Cannabis has been historically classified as a hallucinogen. However, subjective cannabis effects do not typically include hallucinogen-like effects."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5908416/ 

THC is not considered a 'hallucinogen', I don't think, but I can testify that with a high enough dose, one can visually hallucinate....  I'll see if that happens later today after consuming a salad with cannabis salad dressing about 30 minutes ago... 

The issue is THC not a hallucinogen, if we are seeking altered states this not enough. Not against using various substances for system and music enjoyment, but I see the goal of high end audio to induce the altered state without the need for these substances, this what I mean by sustainable. I'd suggest medicinal/pharmaceutical substances not sustainable in that they can severely impact our physical and/or mental well being. I know this from first hand experience having gone through drug rehab, and I've know far too many casualties who never sought rehab/therapy. Using mind altering substances on a regular basis can be difficult, as they say moderation is the key.

You are right about drugs !

I did not use THC save one time or 2 a year...

My ASC  experiences are linked to music listening in good acoustics conditions...

 Some music can be very powerful....

 I use some  specific album since 20 years for example  to relieve stress and it is as powerful as a drug...

To merely relax i had many other choices...

To accelerate the thinking or creative process as writing, nothing beat Bach or Choral music for me...

To enter into more subjective moods  i can use Jazz or Liszt  or Scriabin or Chopin etc ...

@rockysantoro .....there was a parody of 'Tighten Up' called the 'Loosen Up' where the players began detuning instruments, the drums went random, and the organist just...well, it's good there wasn't a vid of it..... ;)

Generally I'll listen to my favorite radio station all day at work, WCBN FM, Univ. Michigan student run station. So yesterday they played rasta man music for a couple hours, got me back in the old spirit of things! Made me think of the differences between THC and hallucinogens, THC can raise our awareness of certain things, this can help to create a spiritual experience, seeing Marley live in concert at a perfect size venue with fine acoustics while I was high certainly was one of those peak experiences. Had other peak experiences with THC, vast majority far more forgettable, once it becomes daily most of the magic lost. On the other hand you can never forget the hallucinogenic experiences, they alter the mind/brain in a way THC can never come close to. The one thing to be careful with when using hallucinogens is being attentive to state of mind just prior to tripping, no fear or anxiety, just an open mind as to what one is about to experience. I believe having good intentions when making the decision to use mind altering substances is paramount. I always thought back to Carlos Castaneda's, "The Teachings of Don Juan" as a very early compass for my mind altering journeys.

I also mentioned most desiring quiet during trips, I know someone mentioned the movie, "Altered States" in an earlier thread. Seems to me it could be a very anxiety provoking thing to be locked into an isolation tank, with no visual or aural reference/distraction there is only one's mind to absorb the mind, going to a dark place as in the movie could be very possible.