Six DAC Comparison


I am in the middle of comparing the sound of six different DACs in my system. I own them all (I know weird) but one of them is still within a trial/return timeframe.

Not to share specific comparisons today, but a couple of observations so far are that first, they all definitely sound different from each other. On one hand, they all sound pretty good and play what is fed to them without significant flaws but on the other hand there are definite sonic differences that make it easy to understand how a person might like the sound of some of them while not liking others.

Second, raises the observation that most of them must be doing something to shape the sound in the manner the designer intended since one of the DACs, a Benchmark DAC3 HGA, was described by John Atkinson of Stereophile as providing "state-of-the-art measured performance." In the review, JA closed the measurements section by writing, "All I can say is "Wow!" I have also owned the Tambaqui (not in my current comparison), which also measured well ("The Mola Mola Tambaqui offers state-of-the-digital-art measured performance." - JA). The Benchmark reminds me sonically of the Tambaqui, both of which are excellent sounding DACs.

My point is that if the Benchmark is providing "state-of-the-art measured performance," then one could reasonably presume that the other five DACs, which sound different from the Benchmark, do not share similar ’state-of-the-art" measurements and are doing something to subtly or not so subtly alter the sound. Whether a person likes what they hear is a different issue.

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I certainly would not want to offend anyone with my comments.

But I'm reading a lot of opinions about I2S, OCXO clocking, and master clocks.

I have no doubt that those of you who have heard this or that component with OCXO clocking or I2S inputs or master clocks and preferred the way they sounded are 100% correct. But that doesn't mean that all components with those inputs, outputs, or clocking sound better. There are too many other factors.

I2S was never intended for component-to-component data transfer. If you don't believe me, why don't you look up the Audio Engineering Society's specification on I2S which clearly states that it should not be used for distances over 4" and that it is only intended for inside of a DAC chassis.

Personally I would trust the Audio Engineering Society over any audiophile fad. 

Show me any equipment used in recording studios that uses I2S between components: last I checked it doesn't exist. The preferred data transfer between components in recording studios is still balanced AES. 

Consider what I2S actually is doing and decide for yourself if it is even logical.

The proponents of I2S claim that clocking which is embedded into the data stream can become corrupted during data transfer. So how would it make sense that by having data embedded with clocking along with a bit clock and a word clock could synchronize better?!?!?!?

If the clocking embedded in the data gets corrupted, then the data would be corrupted, and the data could not synchronize with the other two I2S clocks.

Think about it.

Not to mention the fact that all Audio Engineering Society standard digital music transfer protocols have the clocking embedded into the data stream. Yes, USB, S/PDIF, AES, Ethernet, etc., all have clocking embedded into the data stream. 

That would mean that the internet music streaming services that most people are using have clocking embedded into the data stream and the data stream is traveling cross-country.

Do you really think that after the clocking embedded in the data stream has traveled for miles and miles and miles over the internet that isolating clocking for 1 meter by doing I2S from your streamer to your DAC is going to correct something?

LOL!

As for OCXO clocking or master clocks that's another common misconception. 

OCXO clocks were never originally engineered for high-end audio. They were engineered for electronics that are subject to extreme weather conditions such as those used in submarines, aircraft, missiles, rockets, and polar expedition vehicles.

Some audio engineers discovered that OCXO clocks had lower hash noise in the audible spectrum and started to use them.

But OCXO clocks are generally less accurate than femto and other clocks engineered for high-end audio. So using OCXO clocks is generally a tradeoff. 

Consider the problem with clocking noise is that it pollutes the other power supplies inside of the DAC. This is one of the main reasons why external master clocks are used: they completely isolate the clocks power supply from the power supplies inside of the DAC and other digital components.

At Mojo Audio we take a different approach: the LC choke input power supplies we use in our analog power supplies are so much better isolated than those other companies use that clocking hash noise from our femto clocking can't corrupt it.

This way we get the best of all worlds: the increased accuracy of femto clocking, less clocking noise in our analog power supplies, and less clocking corruption than happens with external master clocks connected by long cables. 

Also note that our AES and coaxial inputs have no internal clocking or reclocking.

That way you can hear the full benefit of whatever the clocking is in your CD transport or streamer.

That's why customers and reviewers who have used our DACs with uber CD transports like the Jay's CDT-3 MkIII tell us the sound rivals or beats their vinyl rig. 

We even have a unique USB lift switch that eliminates 100% of the clocking inside of our DAC chassis when using the AES or coaxial inputs.

Bottom line: I recommend that you trust your ears.

Customer after customer and reviewer after reviewer have compared the sound of Mojo Audio DACs using our USB, AES, or coaxial inputs to most of the popular DACs who use I2S or Ethernet inputs or OCXO or master clocks and they have consistently preferred the sound of our DACs. 

I think that says it all. 

@fuzzbutt17  That’s interesting stuff and thanks for sharing.  Very surprised you don’t use a clock for SPDIF and AES.  Is there no benefit to putting a high quality clock in your DAC for those connections?  My impression was that with SPDIF, AES, and i2S that both clocks in the transport/streamer and DAC could potentially work together depending on the design for potential added benefit.  Honestly I’ve been pretty fuzzy on how both clocks work when those connections are used so would be very interested in your thoughts on this and relatedly why you don’t use a clock in your DACs for those connections.  

It’s threads like this that have continually educated me about my hobby and my system.  It’s beneficial when manufacturers and dealers contribute to our forum.  I now understand why my Concert Fidelity 040BD DAC doesn’t have a clock - and has only one input - S/PDIF.  It sure sounds good to me.    Thank you @fuzzbutt17 for joining the discussion. 

Every DAC manufacturers claims their implementation is the best and sounds the best. What’s new here ?

Whatever Mojo Audio has stated in that post is right and wrong at the same time. Many folks already know those facts but they are all theory, however in practice they don’t really agree irrespective of what a manufacturer claims.


Talk to Esoteric and they will tell you that their external clock can take their DAC to a different level and this is true - I have heard the stark differences running the external clock with 1M cable.


Talk to PS Audio, and they think their I2S interface sounds better and their are huge number of folks who uses I2S with their DAC simply because it does sound better and I used to own their DAC.

 

Talk to Taiko Audio and they will tell you their proprietary ultra high speed XDMI interface is the best for Audio with ultra low latency.

Talk to MSB and they will tell you their ProISL is the best since it can completely isolate noise from the source.

I have heard many DAC whose AES sounds mediocre at best. Then how come it’s the best interface for audio ? How come USB, which wasn’t even design for audio sounds the best with many DACs ?

and so on…

 

so, who is right ? Does anybody (especially the consumers) think there is a winner ? I doubt….