Any better DAC then dCS Scarlatti?

I have heard many top level vinyl rigs and have a decent vinyl setup myself, but to say vinyl gives better dynamics??? PLEASE! Yes, smoothness, musicality, yep, buy these, but vinyl will never be able to equal the dynamic range of digital, hell even cheap digital will outdo vinyl in dynamics!

Murataltuev, The Wadia does not have dynamics of vinyl. The dynamics come down the chain, with the BAT pre and the Troy. Someone in another thread likened the Wadia to a scientific instrument. It was a put-down, but it depends upon your perspective. The Wadia adds nothing. It just extracts the data. It is up to you, what you do with that data.

Personally, I do not always care for the dynamics of vinyl. It can be too much, resulting in a loss of realness. I can get increased dynamics from my pre with different tubes. It gives a different perspective. The layering comes from the Troy. Not even the pre can give the optimal layering.

The ultimate DAC may be your castle in the air. Cables and power are important, but the pre may be key for the sound you seek. I'd be curious to know what you think of top preamps from BAT, Joule, VAC... Even more choices if you are willing to go with unbalanced, which I am not. The Troy may be another piece to get you there.

Murataltuev I hope you don't actually like the Berkeley because to me that dac sounds hi fi and thin.

Kennyt, may be we have different understanding of dynamic.
I agree with Rtn1, that may be vinyl sometimes is too dynamic.
I have this effect, but hope to fix it by changing tonearm cable.

Rtn1, I heard so much about Troy and someday definately will have it in my system! And I totally agree about importance of the rest of the system.
But DAC is the source, and you can't get better that the source.
Preamp is very important and my next upgrade will be preamp.
I have may the best preamp and phono in the world Tidal Preos, but there is better Tidal Presencio. When I search for preamp I compared it with many very good and expensive ones, but Tidal was so much ahead!

Jwm, Berkeley is great DAC for price, and there are better ones, but for higher price:)

Hi murataltuev,
I am very interested in you finding your vinyl set up to be more dynamic than your digital rig.

I too have scarlatti and other DCS digital. It has been a longtime since I have had my own TT (I got lazy), although some of my audiophile close friends have super TT rigs. I could not say they are more dynamic, although the sense of flow etc is hard to beat but not impossible. In fact a friend of mine recorded a CDR direct from his TT. When I played this back on my digital, it killed many of my original disks!

I wonder what you are using with your DCS for it to have dynamic issues? Or maybe I need to understand better your meaning of dynamics?

DCS does have the ability to be restrained or slightly removed, but with the right tweaking and set up it is sublime. Maybe try some VD cables to bring it to life? Or is it a preamp issue? The drawback of these discussions is you can say so much and so little at the same time!

I dont know the GTE, but I have had many of the usual suspects in the digital world.