Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?


I think we have.  I have seen many discussion on audio forums and how nasty they can become when you have people disagreeing. Seems like there are a lot more know it alls now. I been in 20 years and I can still learn.  But I also know I know quite a bit. Like cables can enhance the sound and higher end well designed gear can truly be ear candy special.  Is this just on audio forums or the internet period. 

calvinj

One of the pickles is we're dealing with 90% opinion and 10% facts.

A big percentage of that 90% opinion is stated as a fact, and when you have a blizzard of contradictory 'facts' swirling around, a lot of feathers get ruffled.

There is also in some cases where with some people you have to accept that they will always want to so called win an argument. But when you have made an investment in equipment with low noise floors that have been tested to a -140 db. When your equipment is designed and has been measured to reduce distortion. When you can run a program that reads and measures  the distortion  in the second and third harmonics in each Dac chip and you have a program that can make adjustments in real time to limit the distortion. Then you put it in a good listening environment.   Then you matched it up with the right cables and a great source and source materials there are those that don’t have that kind of system and have an emotional investment in their own position will never accept your findings.  We as audiophiles have to accept that they don’t hear a difference because they just don’t have your system. We can accept that they can’t hear in theirs. Their system is not built to hear the differences possibly. But one someone tells me that I can’t hear a difference in a my system that they have never heard in person I pretty much have 0 interest in their opinion. I didn’t want to brag about what I have or what my equipment has been measured to do. Because no matter what I say some people will get offended. In my system there is a scientific and audible difference in what I’m hearing because of the highly resolving systems with cables that match that throughout.  When I didn’t have the experience in the this hobby I used to feel the other way but when I grew in this hobby so did my ability to purchase better equipment along with the knowledge to put things together. In closing one thing that we as Audiophiles must accept. If you like it I love it for YOU! You can be right in hearing or not hearing it in your system but you shouldn’t let someone who hasn’t heard your system and doesn’t know the specs or design of your equipment tell you anything that they deem as fact. They might not have enough experience in listening and picking out differences. They are a random person on the internet that you know nothing about. It’s ok to peacefully disagree and move on. ENJOY THE MUSIC EVERYONE! ENJOY YOUR SYSTEM 

All hobbies or subject matters of interest have insufferable twats, elitists, condescending jerks, naysayers, and open-minded passionate people that are excited to explore new frontiers. 

Engage how it suits you! Opinions can't replace actual experience. 

@thecarpathian you are 100% correct that’s why I responded in length in the above posts. I get what you are saying 100%. You hit the nail on the head. For example you can have a great sounding system without the expense of having an expensive system. But good, better or great is partially in opinion and some equipment is just built better or differently because of design and materials to produce a more ear pleasing sound or sound that is more resolving, detailed and transparent simply based on design. Some seek that. I do. Others don’t I accept that. Doesn’t make my position a fact or them wrong. @2psyop there are just folks that will want to be right no matter what. I try to stay away from them. That type typically doesn’t learn or evolve. We have to accept in each forum there will be a couple of folks that will be like that no matter what. I’m still learning in this hobby after 20 years and I accept there are those who know more than me and it doesn’t bother me. I don’t have to insist that I’m right.  

OP

 

Thank you for not all capping your thread title.  It lowers the temperature right off the bat