Turntable Isolation Journey


Nearing the end of my journey to solve footfall & feedback issues in my small-room "home office" system with very bouncy floor and flexible walls. Turntable is the only source here -- and it’s a Clearaudio Innovation Compact with no suspension or special isolation feet. This system always sounded good, but was rendered nearly unusable at higher volumes due to turntable isolation that was inadequate relative to this room’s challenges. The worst artifact was when structure-borne feedback from the speakers would cause amp clipping on bass-heavy tracks. This clipping would manifest as an extremely loud singular POP sound, especially hitting the tweeters. It only occurred during the loudest parts of track with bass-heavy elements, and was so loud it was still significantly above the level of the music -- much louder than a POP you would hear from vinyl surface defects. The POP sound was startling, and clearly very bad for tweeters (fortunately my Tannoys seem to have survived several of these incidents). For a time I thought these POPs were from static electricity discharge, but they were NOT. In my quest I tried many solutions and tweaks over a few months, and I’d like to share a rundown of what worked versus what didn’t.

What Helped (MVP products & tweaks):

  1. Townshend Seismic Isolation platform -- Single biggest difference maker, for combating both footfalls and structure-borne feedback from speakers. Amazingly-well designed and built. Leveling was a snap. Well worth the price! If you spend money on isolation, spend it here. Highly Recommended. I’m now considering more Townshend products for under my speakers and in the big loft rig.
  2. Rack Bracing -- Pushed rack right up against the wall (stud / drywall) with a 2’x2’x2" Auralex foam panel tightly wedged in between the top half of rack & wall. This SIGNIFICANTLY cleaned up rack oscillation from footfalls. I see a LOT of folks with nice turntables atop tower-style audio racks, and they could benefit greatly from this "hack". It is cheap & free; the only downside is you may need to reposition your rack. I learned about this "hack" by a couple comments buried in "turntable isolation" threads searched via google. This really CANNOT be overstated.
  3. HOCKEY PUCKS -- Placed under rack spikes in place of the stock aluminum cups or Herbie’s Giant Gliders. Just let the spikes sink right in! This actually cleaned up the very last bit of energy from footfalls; foot stomps with needle-in-groove are now DEAD QUIET. super cheap and effective! Far superior to most audiophile footer devices. Might also help in rack bracing by tightly constraining the rack between wall & floor (Herbie’s Gliders were too slippery).
  4. Rack positioning -- Get your turntable & rack away from the speakers. If you can move the rack far enough behind your speakers, that might be OK, but most rooms cannot accommodate enough depth for this. Placing the rack several feet down a sidewall worked best in this room. Choosing a structural wall also aids in rack bracing. Make sure you don’t place the rack in a room "node" where bass is amplified. Walk around while music is playing to find a nice quiet-ish spot. I kept my amps by the speakers and ran 5 meter XLR cables from the preamp / rack.

What Underperformed:

  • Critical Mass Sotto Voce rack -- the rack is gorgeous and nicely rigid, but doesn’t have nearly enough mass to combat the bouncy floor in this room. Once braced against a wall, the rigidity of this rack was allowed to shine. However, before the bracing, its performance was poor. I will say I have Critical Mass’s Maxxum rack in my (main) loft system on a more solid floor, and the immense mass & rigidity of that rack was game-changer for that system. I do like CMS products, but they are dearly expensive.
  • Critical Mass Black Platinum filter -- Top shelf of the rack. This actually has a significant positive effect, but is limited to the midrange and treble frequencies. It cannot combat footfalls or low frequency feedback. I still like and use this platform, but at more than twice the cost of a Townshend platform it belongs in this category.
  • SOTA Nova V Turntable -- I thought this table’s suspension would render it impervious to room issues, but it’s not. It helped with footfalls but some structure-borne feedback was still getting through. I suspect the suspension needs a tune-up. Quite frankly I think the OLD suspension (it started life as a 1990s Star III) was better tuned and more stable before it came back as a fully rebuilt Nova V, circa 2018. The new vacuum platter was a huge improvement but the new suspension has been disappointing. The Clearaudio deck also sounds a bit better, so now with the Townshend platform it’s an easy choice. Note that the Townshend also uses springs as its isolation mechanism, but I noticed that the Townshend’s oscillation is far better controlled and damped versus the SOTA. You can SEE and HEAR its performance advantage.
  • ISOAcoustics Gaia III speaker feet -- these seemed to have some small positive benefit, but honestly not a lot. Not worth the money.
  • Lovan Sovereign modular rack (three 10" modules high) -- these are very similar to the VTI racks I see everywhere (which I’m also familiar with). These racks lack rigidity and stability. I would not recommend placing a nice turntable on one of these racks. However, if you do, please brace it against a wall (Auralex foam works great). They’re relatively cheap and look good, so I at least understand their popularity. If you have this rack, at least try hockey pucks under its spikes :)

What Was Worthless (Don’t waste your money like I did):
I’m not going to bother expanding upon these; suffice to say they had no discernible positive effect.

  • ISOAcoustics Orea Indigo feet (under maple board & turntable).
  • Symposium Segue ISO turntable platform
  • Herbie’s Lab Giant Gliders (steel) - Placed under Sotto Voce rack spikes
  • Speaker spikes -- at least they look cool :)

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Really good to see that the Townshend solution I suggested (and supplied!) to you has worked wonders for you Mike @mulveling. I thought it would as I've seen this situation many many times. It's not for no reason that I recommend either the platform or a single podium (supplied by myself via Townshend) in all my custom Rock turntable builds. In my system I use podiums under my JBL 4367 speakers and podiums (or platforms where a podium can't be accomodated) underneath my turntables. It's generally how I like my turntables - non-suspended (for the stability of speed)  but on Townshend platforms for isolation. My Rock Reference turntable is also suspended on the completely floated Townshend Seismic Stand. This is great, because it isolates not only the turntable but the Manley Steelhead phono stage and PSU as well as my Krell KSA 100. So it isolates many products in one. Sadly it is no longer made due to the increased costs in our post-covid society! But any  make of rack can also now be supported on seismic pods, bars and corners, as we do for all our Townshend demo's in the UK. So pleased you're having success. Let me know if I can be of any further help for both this, or the main system, but for now, enjoy!  All the best.

Matt (The RockDoc)

 

And don't forget fellas, if you  already have a turntable shelf you really like (the carbon fiber one from BDR, for instance), you may use four of the individual Seismic Pods under that shelf. Much cheaper than the Seismic Platform.  And if your loudspeakers are already fitted with an outrigger-style base, the Pods may be used in place of the spikes. Again, considerably cheaper than the Seismic Podium.

This thread is very good reading as I'm building a rack that'll house a TT. My iso Gias are not to be used under the table from what others say! I have two sets of Townshend seismic pods the C ones. Don't they have a colored dot on them, not using them now. I didn't like them as they're to springy, maybe I have the wrong ones? 

Yes special shout-out to @mmcnult1 (Matt McNulty / The RockDoc) -- I’ve been friends with him on Facebook for a while now, and he’s been an all-around helpful and friendly guy in several of the audiophile groups there. I knew he does a lot of work with Townshend products (specifically the tables) so when I realized a Seismic Platform might be the right idea, I approached him to help coordinate the purchase. Smooth sailing as expected -- absolutely 100% recommended; if you’re curious go talk to him :)

Of course Matt endorsed Townshend isolation as the total solution to my issues, and he was spot-on. He actually recommended a single podium over the platform, and I would’ve LOVED that solution, but simply couldn’t make its outrigger footprint work without a totally new rack. I’m still looking at the huge Master Innovation in my big rig and trying to figure out how to make a Podium work there. I don’t have the footfall or feedback issues there (ever since I got the Maxxum rack), but it can’t hurt to further clean up any stray energy, right? Plus I think the podiums look wicked cool :) Hmm, maybe on my beastly VAC amps...

This thread is very good reading as I’m building a rack that’ll house a TT. My iso Gias are not to be used under the table from what others say! I have two sets of Townshend seismic pods the C ones. Don’t they have a colored dot on them, not using them now. I didn’t like them as they’re to springy, maybe I have the wrong ones?

@brunomarcs  I have B cells and this table weighs probably 30 - 35 pounds with all clamping. They have to be somewhat springy for good effect on a given load -- I found they compressed about as much as I expected; just a bit as you can see in pic. The fine leveling settled over a few days under load. There’s a fellow on a Facebook turntable group, and his pods show a LOT more compression -- quite honestly, no I would not like that. I’d try the next level up of load cells in that case.

And don’t forget fellas, if you already have a turntable shelf you really like (the carbon fiber one from BDR, for instance), you may use four of the individual Seismic Pods under that shelf. Much cheaper than the Seismic Platform. And if your loudspeakers are already fitted with an outrigger-style base, the Pods may be used in place of the spikes. Again, considerably cheaper than the Seismic Podium.

@bdp24  Yep, the Pods and Bars are intriguing options. I just love the look of the Podiums but those outriggers eat up a lot of real estate (though I understand their function) and space is unfortunately at a premium in both my rigs...

mulveling, I'm late to the party but want to add my thanks for your information and starting this helpful discussion.

Somewhere I read a recommendation for this product.  I've not tried it but it seems to be a very inexpensive device to try.  It is similar to those suggested by drbond.

https://www.amazon.com/Pack-Anti-Vibration-Rubber-isolation/dp/B01IU6WT5O/ref=sr_1_2?crid=14TMEUKR93JE3&keywords=isolation%2Bpads&qid=1684506769&sprefix=Isolation%2Bpads%2Caps%2C103&sr=8-2&th=1

I recently bought a Technics SL-1200G which is mounted on a Target stand.  It is a new home with engineered wood beams in the floor and I don't feel any spring or flex.  Of course that could exist in modest measure.  This system sounds very good, but it might be improved further.