Cable design is a lot like creating a pizza

These people with a lot of money to spend are smart people and yet they continue to buy these very very expensive cables. Why is that? They must know it’s not the greatest and smartest thing to do.

Why do you worry so much what other people do and buy. It’s their money, they can spend it however they see fit. For them.

I’m all for quality cables but the buyers need to be more careful so as not to escalate a problem that only serves to divert money away from more meaningful endeavors within the audio world.

Ditto. Same as above.

Too much protesting, whining, bitching, moaning. For nothing. I already told you. Lots of affordable audio there, you just have to look. Let me see if there is anything I can do to help? What are you looking to buy, and for which gear / equipment?

escalate a problem that only serves to divert money away from more meaningful endeavors within the audio world.

Almost forgot: which is “more meaningful endeavors in audio “? Is it room treatments? Like that thread you started a few days ago “bookshelf vs diffuser panel”. You did not seem to like when I said bookshelf is better than nothing, but cannot be compared with a proper diffuser and other acoustic treatments. So I am speechless now, as you don’t seem to want to spend a dime even in most generally accepted “meaningful endeavor” like room treatment. So, what is “meaningful endeavor” in audio, really? Please describe it for me, maybe I am missing something 

Oh great! Then what are you doing in the forums arguing nonstop against every single thing you have zero interest in? What kind of proof are you seeking? Trying for yourself does not count, right?

I like pizza, and might try one for myself tomorrow… but making analogies to pizzas and cars is a bit lame IMO.

I saw “Pizza” in the title and I started salivating before I even heard the bell ring.

With respect to metrics:

• Even the hot sauce has an internationally recognised Scoville rating
• And ales and hops have the IBU (International Bitterness Units.)

they do not just chuck beer ingredients into a pot and hope and pray for the best. They use a recipe and adjust the quantities to work towards an optimum.

If I am running a cart which, for instance, needs some capacitance loading… are we going to buy a cable with a known capacitance/foot? Or select something with nothing defined?
Trying 3 cables with slightly more or less capacitance is different that blindly trying three different cable in a blind mice fashion.

If I am running a cart which, for instance, needs some capacitance loading… are we going to buy a cable with a known capacitance/foot? Or select something with nothing defined?

I don’t know . Ask your dealer? 
 

And we had this conversation before, on your lamp cords you so proudly display in your profile picture: what is their capacitance, resistance, impedance? You surely have measured with your Audio Precision scope. And you are 100% sure their “specs” are the best there is, nothing better out there? Never been curious to try alternatives? And no, you don’t have to be a blind mouse to try cables.

And for some reason, you fine lamp-cords folks think we who buy fancy cables do not look at any of that compatibility stuff at all 🤦‍♂️

@thyname 

I think you made several excellent points in response to @holmz  which have so far gone unanswered.

 

I don’t know . Ask your dealer?

And we had this conversation before, on your lamp cords you so proudly display in your profile picture: what is their capacitance, resistance, impedance? You surely have measured with your Audio Precision scope.

Why would I have an audio precision scope? and do they even measure capacitance and inductance?

If I was building cable for retail sale, then I would likely have the tools to measure both capacitance and inductance. But I usually buy Mogami wire which have the specs published per meter por foot. As I want to minimise capacitance and inductance I just use short cables. I suppose if I liked the sound of higher values, then I could just use longer cables…

And you are 100% sure their “specs” are the best there is, nothing better out there? Never been curious to try alternatives? And no, you don’t have to be a blind mouse to try cables.

It is the designers who appear to be blind without some specs to define their cable.

And for some reason, you fine lamp-cords folks think we who buy fancy cables do not look at any of that compatibility stuff at all 🤦‍♂️

New cables are in the post to me.
Both speaker cables, and some silver ones for IC construction.

But I’ll keep the avatar. It shows the system right after a move, when we needed to get it running a year ago. I would have used a coat hanger, if I did not have a spool of wire.

But this thread was about cables being like pizzas, so why the attack?
A cable is only like a pizza if it is all subjective.
Beer is not like a pizza, in that it is made to some objective standards of bitterness, ph, alcohol %, dryness, etc. and the German purity laws date back hundreds of years, so we know what is in it.

Your cables are more like imported dog food or baby formula…

I don’t know . Ask your dealer? 

TT fellow said use the shortest cable you can, and a low dielectric constant seems better, and try to use 23ga or larger, and try to find one with low capacitance.
(He sells the TT to the dealers.)

 

@thyname

I think you made several excellent points in response to @holmz which have so far gone unanswered.

@roxy54 can you point out the excellent ones?
(I think that I missed those.)