Does a turntable make a DRAMATIC difference?


I purchased some analog gear in the hopes of making my analog side (a Sutherland 20 20 phono preamplifier and a Hana ML cartridge) at least the equal of my digital side. Although it has markedly improved the sound of my records it has not equaled the SQ of my digital sources. I know my turntable ( a heavily modified Rega RP3 with two power supplies and many other internal tweaks) is the weakest link. My question is, will a new improved turntable make a MAJOR difference, or just incrementally improve the sound. Or do I have to spend major bucks to achieve what I want.

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I just returned my Sutherland 20/20 Mk2 LPT to Music Direct because my new Holo May DAC DTE sounded much better than my analog. I have a Technics SL-1200G and Hana ML. I also have a tube preamp and I'm guessing that your taste in sound presentation is similar to my preferences.  The Sutherland in my system lacked dynamics and was harsh in the upper range of the female voice. It also lacked the microdynamics that makes voice so wonderful. I changed out preamps, but will be selling a car to fund. Now, voice is sweet and detailed and dynamics are much improved. I wonder what a better arm, turntable or cartridge would do, but I can’t afford to sell another car.

Digital is getting much better and analog can keep up, or better, but the price of admission is steep. I’m leaving things as is for now because a substantial arm/turntable improvement is costly, but I know that this is my weak link, but the music is now fluid and rich.. Phono stages make a big difference.

Is your tonearm level when playing a record? Your arm has no VTA adjustment and there is no standard cartridge height. Maybe the Hana isn’t a good fit. Improper VTA can affect performance.

FWIW, IMHO, the parts used to assemble a very good analog system are secondary to a competent set up, and maintenance of the set up once achieved. Reliance on a retailer to achieve this is often futile unless the retailer is an acknowledged turntable expert and is willing to expend the effort on you and your system. Bottom line in this respect is you should expect to become proficient in handling all of the issues involved yourself if you really want to improve your system. Not a small task, but potentially very rewarding.

You presently have good stuff and I suspect, just suspect mind you, that if you took control of set up yourself, you might come close to achieving you results you want at minimum expense. For example VTA is critical, close enuf is not good enuf, and its best done by ear after initial set up. Likewise VTF. All of this assumes proper matching of cartridge and tone arm are had. You should also insure that your turntable speed is correct and stable. (An area where quartz TT’s, as opposed to belt driven ones, can excel and have meters of some sort to indicate that your speed is properly set. Also the ability to shift speed a tad can help you tune absolute pitch which is skewered in the recording (it happens). Belt driven tables can be a bit difficult - i.e. rubber belts (when used) are not only subject to expansion and contraction but they wear out. As I mentioned in a previous post thickness of the record you most frequency use is critical - too thick or thin of a record will change your VTA and to hear them at their best you have to adjust your VTA and/or VTF.

This just scratches the surface of the issues involved. Another might be for someone with angst problems is analog systems have more tweaks (including things like headshell wires which in my opinion are of overlooked importance judged by the fact that they are still very cheap and rarely discussed) available than you can imagine and some of them ARE important, one of which is dealing with obtaining correct isolation for your system.

To be (too, perhaps) blunt, if you can’t get involved in the proper set up/maintenance of a high end vinyl system by doing the work yourself I highly recommend that you adjust to the differences between what you have and what you might have, enjoy your vinyl undisturbed and learn, once again, to sit back and enjoy what brought you to audio in the first place, i.e. the music.

That said, I appreciate that you are/were a professional musician and you may think you have heard it all and have become a bit bored. I know I did. But I hadn’t - I spend a lot of time now listening to music with which I had little familiarity but have learned to enjoy. The up side of this is now, when I do pick out a Beethoven Symphony for example, I appreciate it so much more. The availability of chamber music and music for the solo piano for me to explore just bobble my little brain! :-)

Good luck RV.

 

I fear I may well fit in that latter category.

I just want to enjoy the music.

I know the RP3 pretty well. Don't know what your mods did, but I do know the RP3 is not even close to higher tables. Spending on the turntable and the phono both can be harder to justify versus say a cart change but it all matters...