Sub Confusion


I've decided to add a REL sub to my in-den 2-channel system. My room is 12'-0 x 15'-6 x 10'-0h with PMC Fact 12 speakers 3'-0 out from the short wall. I have GIF corner base traps (43"h) in the front corners. My integrated is a DarTZeel LHC-208, and my DAC is an Aqua Formula xhd rev 2. When I go to REL's website to match a sub to my speakers, they recommend a 212SX (at $4,999). For my space, these seems to be overkill. Why not a single S510 (at $2,749) or two T7X (at $1,099 each)? Or? My goal is not more base- I'm looking to free my PMCs from having to expend energy to produce sound below 80 Hz and increase depth. Looking for input from our members. Thanks

thebingster

As rsf507 states, multiple subs tends to resolve node problems. Google "subwoofer swarm" for an explanation for why multiple subs are usually better than one. 

Your reason for wanting to free your speakers from reproducing the lows, is one  great reason for adding subs, Mids and midbass will improve noticeably.

What do you mean when you say you are not looking for 'more bass'? 

I ask, because there is more ambient information in low bass than many people realize. Adding bass down to the lowest octave, opens up the soundstage. 

"My goal is not more base- I’m looking to free my PMCs from having to expend energy to produce sound below 80 Hz and increase depth."

To do that you will need a sub with a high pass filter. You need to use a separate amp and preamp or an integrated with preamp out and amp in!

If you use Rel subwoofers, those don’t have high pass filters!

What Yogiboy said. Adding subs doesn't automatically make life easier for your other components. I think your speakers are transmission line designs. Removing sub-80Hz signals will mess them up. You need to rethink what you're trying to do. 

As mentioned, the 212/sx is designed to run in tandem with your main speakers (no high pass).

Generally, stereo subs would be preferable. That said, i have a single 212/se in my system and don't want for anything below 80hz, so there is always more than one path to satisfaction.

I agree with just about everyone’s posts. That said, 80Hz high pass might be a bit high for your speakers considering they can dig down to 26Hz. If your goal with subs is to clear up the frequency spectrum and deepen the soundstage, you likely want them performing largely below audible frequencies and will want two or more in the room.

Even without a high pass, you will be surprised what two good subs crossed over at 65Hz or lower will do to the rest of the spectrum and to the sound stage. Should you still want to combine this with a high pass for your speakers, I suggest looking first at a 60Hz high pass as 80Hz may be too high.

While the Rel 212 is a wonderful sub, it is a lot of a single sub for that room. The others you mention though do not dig deep enough. I would probably opt for two 812’s, and if that’s too much money, the SVS SB-4000 is a worthy competitor at a fraction of the price and offers better integration with its mobile app.

In full disclosure I run a hifi business but do not carry Rel or SVS.