@atmasphere , I forgot to mention we are talking about two different buzzes. I mean the vibration you feel as if you feel the string moving. The buzz you are talking about is the icing on the cake. It comes I think from the string vibrating against the fret board. I love listening to Dave Holland as he makes a lot of that noise playing. I just saw Marcus Miller and Mike Stern at the Blue Note in NYC and I was about 15 feet away from Marcus, best electric bass I ever heard. Now I have a new target to shoot for. I wonder why humans love having their insides rattled.
Your sub experience: Easy or hard?
For those of us with subwoofers, I'm curious whether you thought integrating it was easy or difficult. That's it.
Of course, lots of DBA people will chime in. No problem but please ask that everyone stay on topic. If you want to discuss all the pro's and cons of DBA take it to a brand new thread. Thank you.
The focus here is just to ask how many people had easy or difficult times and what you thought was the difference.
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I have just this week been looking at some changes to my sub situation. My main speakers with two 9-inch drivers each in a very inert acoustic suspension cabinet perform very well with bass down to around 40Hz. I have been very happy with the sound resulting from rolling in two subs and cutting them off at around 40 Hz. In discussions with the manufacturer of my speakers, he believes what I am doing is fine, but that I could gain improvements with a high pass filter set for 45 Hz, which could reduce doppler distortions resulting from the woofers reproducing lower midrange frequencies up to 360 Hz while at the same time trying to reproduce very low frequencies in the 30-45 Hz range. Marchand is in the process of building a passive balanced HP filter for me. It is also my speaker/sub manufacturer's experience that two subs run in stereo (which is how I use mine) are superior to one mono, or running two in mono. He believes we can localize stereo sounds in the low bass to some extent making it worthwhile to run the subs in stereo. Regarding more than two subs, it is his experience that adding a third sub run in mono and located in the back of the room can provide significant improvements in bass, while going from three to four subs is much less of an improvement. He recommends adjusting phase using a trial and error method from the listening position. I have been planning to add a third sub but haven’t yet found one of the SW-12s that I use anywhere close to where I am located. |
My main speakers use dual 15" drivers each. They can shake the house pretty well; everywhere except the listening chair 🙄 So I added a pair of subs, thus creating a DBA because the subs are asymmetrically placed. Now I get the same bass impact (and 'buzz'...) at the listening position that the rest of the house gets. |
@atmasphere , you put your listening position in a null spot! You evened out the amplitude response in the room. It would be interesting to measure the group delays of the system before and after you added the additional subs. At what frequency do your 15" woofers cross to the midrange horn? |
Yes: 'Nulls' are caused by standing waves. It was exactly the only spot in the room the listening position could be located. Move three feet in any direction and no problem. I am very lucky in that my GF likes the stereo quite a lot (helps when it sounds good) so its in the living room rather than a mancave. The 15" drivers cross over at 500Hz. They are field coil and quite fast, but so is the midrange driver. |
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