Why should audiophile deniers be allowed on an audiophile forum?


Why should we be subjected to audiophile deniers, on a site dedicated to audio?
It’s antithetical to the hobby and adds nothing to the pursuit. I want to quote something from another thread.

@djones51 wrote "exposing bull products like "audiophile switches, cables, fuses " and other highly questionable devices that serve no purpose"

What then, is the purpose of people with this agenda being on this site? To “expose bull products.” It’s fine for someone to post they tried a product and it didn’t work for them, but to dismiss entire product categories is not a discussion that belongs on an enthusiast forum.

Would a car enthusiast site stand for this type of post?

Try going on a Porsche forum, just for example, and posting that your Mustang is just as fast 0-60 and that others poster’s claims about their driving experience is “dubious.” See how long that will be tolerated

There are plenty of sites to poke fun at audiophile’s obsession with cables, power conditioners etc. Why does it belong here, especially when we can’t mute specific posters?

What’s next? Arguing that speakers that measure the same must sound the same and that we are all suckers for buying expensive speakers? I thought we got rid of trolling?

Isn’t it obvious with all the ASR related posts here lately we are being trolled?

A couple of months back I read a post here about someone that ordered a new cat8 cable from China. I tried it and posted back my fantastic results for others to benefit.

Personally that’s the kind of forum I’m interested in, not to come here to be challenged about what I hear and that since it can’t be measured so it must be “dubious.”

 

 

 

 

 

emailists

The issue is not "denial" or even "affirmation" -- it's claims without evidence or reasoning.

That's why calls for "free speech" are really misplaced. They're like asking mom and dad to settle a fight that the kids should settle themselves.

The issue the OP described is not something to adjudicate with rules but with shared norms. The best way for a group to reprimand baseless claims -- affirming or denying -- is to push back, counter-argue, shame, or ignore. Not call for rules from above. Because after all, all a conversation really has are the norms it creates for itself.

An audio forum is "sandlot baseball."

So: push back, counter-argue, shame, or ignore

Some purists here just don't seem to get it. This is not a book one can choose not to read and lay down (or toss in the garbage). This type of venue relies on good intentions and honesty, above all else. All of this is done remotely so all the pontificating on what transpires in a public (not virtual) space really can't be applied here, so we rely on people behaving civilly. 

When they fail to behave civilly and refuse to stay on topic, we are now stuck with them and they know it. Remote as we are, we're all part of a larger, captive audience and it seems that some take great joy in disrupting, so what I said above still applies. That freeway and lake are beckoning...heed their siren call.

All the best,
Nonoise

people get to come here, say what they want - if it is out of line, mods may intervene, or other users can call b-s, as it is also their right to do so

The cooking forum was just an example, it doesn't matter what topic.  The bottom line is having a mature, respectful atmosphere.  Of course people aren't going to agree on everything but there will be somethings...that isn't the issue here.  The issue is how people interact with one another.

I am ok hilde45 with what you just said because the only common norm i see is politeness and logical arguments...

We cannot like someone else just said define rigousrously the topic of many thread in advance to be PURE AUDIO MATTER, if we want so it will be necessary to arbitrarily condemn some thread questions... i dont like that... I prefer some chaos to the lost of freedom...

Anyway what means staying on pure audio matter? 😁😊

 

 

For example: the discussion we have right now seems civil to me in this thread...And it is not pure audio matter at all...

To be frank i love too much people here to enjoy ONLY PURE AUDIO MATTER subject...

Anyway i know what the important matter in audio better than most: acoustic/psycho-acoustic...

I joke here for sure,

but i am also serious... Who is perfect? Not me... 😁😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

Please dont ban me...

Thanks....

 

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