TT speed


When I use a protractor to align the stylus I do the alignment at the inside, and then rotate the platter maybe 20 degree when I move the arm to the outside of the LP, or protractor.

On a linear tracking “arm” it would not need to rotate at all.

At 33-1/3, then 15 minutes would be about 500 rotations. And that 20 degrees would be a delay of 18th of a rotation.

So a 1 kHz tone would be about 0.11 Hz below 1000.
It is not much, but seems kind of interesting... maybe?

128x128holmz

You are connecting two parameters that are not related. The stylus tip does not need to know where it is on the surface of the LP in order to reproduce the frequency accurately. It’s essentially a point in space.

For any pivoted tonearm, the stylus will describe an arc starting at the outermost grooves and swerving inward to the right of the spindle as it heads toward the lead-out grooves.  When you use a typical 2-point protractor, like the Feickert, you can see this effect, because the protractor is helping you to locate the stylus and cantilever at each of the two null points defined by any of the 3 standard alignment algorithms.  By definition, the stylus tip and cantilever should be parallel to the groove or perpendicular to the center of the spindle, at a null point.  You have to rotate the protractor to set each of the two null points because the tonearm pivot defines one and only one arc upon which the null points have to be set.  Please try to visualize that if my words are insufficient.  Alignment can affect distortion characteristics, but it does NOT affect fundamental frequency.  Because no matter where you are on the arc, the cartridge is reproducing what is encoded in the grooves at that point.  When a test LP with a 1000Hz tone is created, it is done with a lathe that ideally automatically compensates for the changes in groove length (a spiral with an ever diminishing radius, heading toward the lead-out grooves).  Your rotating the protractor is just to locate each of the two null points, has nothing at all to do with speed accuracy.  So long as the platter maintains constant speed, 1000Hz is 1000Hz everywhere on the LP surface.

I think that what he is saying is that the stylus tracks an arc across the record, which means it is at some point slowly moving forward (retarding, in terms of time), then at the top of the arc, it starts to retreat (speeding up).  Both the slowing of time and the speeding up covers the entire side of the record and covers such a small number of degrees of arc (hence small fraction of one cycle of the record) that it has nothing to do with what can be perceived in terms of pitch change or timing.

Larry, You wrote, ...."at some point slowly moving forward (retarding, in terms of time), then at the top of the arc, it starts to retreat (speeding up)"  I think you would agree that although the velocity of the stylus tip does decrease as it moves from the outer grooves toward the inner grooves, just because path length is getting progressively shorter per revolution of the platter, this has zero effect on pitch, assuming a perfectly created test LP and a turntable with perfectly constant speed.

I suppose that since the speed variation from the stylus movement angle is lower than most W&F specs it is not really a concern.

 

I think that what he is saying is that the stylus tracks an arc across the record, which means it is at some point slowly moving forward (retarding, in terms of time), then at the top of the arc, it starts to retreat (speeding up).  Both the slowing of time and the speeding up covers the entire side of the record and covers such a small number of degrees of arc (hence small fraction of one cycle of the record) that it has nothing to do with what can be perceived in terms of pitch change or timing.

^Well put^ sir, that is exactly what I was trying to say.

 

  I think you would agree that although the velocity of the stylus tip does decrease as it moves from the outer grooves toward the inner grooves, just because path length is getting progressively shorter per revolution of the platter, this has zero effect on pitch, assuming a perfectly created test LP and a turntable with perfectly constant speed.

The fact that the cartridge moves some number of degrees of platter rotation, effectively would be the same as running the platter bit faster or slower… assume that the patter was, say, perfect in its speed,

The fact that the platter speed variation is greater than this Mathematical tracing delta makes it somewhat a moot point.