Ridiculous resale price of vintage equiment


The price of used vintage is downright beyond ridiculous nowadays.

It seems like many hispters are buying crap based on the looks and many flippers are happily milking them.

As an audiophile and collector this really pisses me off... sure I could sell my collection for stratospheric numbers but then what would I do with my hobby?

When I see good looking stuff, like an ARC D70 MkII selling for as much as a crappy sounding, unrestored Marantz 2240.. well, I croak. Heck, I gave one of those away because they are not very good.

Today I was comparing my really recently rebuilt ( and I mean, really rebuilt, not just "recapped" ) Marantz 2325 and Sansui G-7500. The Marantz is dark but warm, the Sansui,which sounds a lot better than the Marantz, paints a nice musical landscape but has no real depth, etc... I gave them both the best chance, driving them from the pre-out of my CJ preamp so they are getting an outstanding source... and yet, well, they sound vintage.

Is the Marantz worth $2500? Is the Sansui worth $1500? From an audiophile point of view, nope. They look good, but my DIY Aleph 5 monos, my ARC D70 MkII, and a bunch of my other amps/preamps sound far better... and yet, they are not overpriced.

OK, except for the buffoon in eBay who was asking for $26K for his Pass Aleph 2 amps.

At least the poseurs have not found Quad yet.

What do you think? Are these prices interfering with your hobby?  

esporma

Great post! thanks to say it shortly...

I will only add that economy is a pyramidal control chain explained long ago by Bernard Mandeville...

( For the anecdote the inventor of cancer drug "snake oil" first original product method is the father of the first Rockfeller, the con artist William Avery "Bill" Rockefeller called "devil Bill", who educated his son in his own personal "economy" theory and Rockfeller history after that was key moment in the personal education of Bill Gates in alleged "philantropical economy" theory and they called their globalistic control method : Gates and Rockfeller foundations; this anecdote resume almost modern economy save for the banking system which is another story explained by the bank of international settlements history after world war one)

 

 

Logic is a mess in most brain because almost nobody can even figure out Aristotle tool value and his limit explicitly understood by Aristotle himself...His logic is related to his metaphysic and not reducible to any abstract formalization at all...

The working brain must work with logic yes but at a level way over logic to be effective in his reach...

Logic cannot teach us how to see a flower....And like Goethe demonstrated in his marvellous book about plant dynamical morphology, most people had never SEEN a plant and they are even not conscious of this fact for the rest of their life...Classifying something with a name by programmed HABIT is not an active perceptive seeing experience....

It is the same for acoustic: applying an equation will not solve a small acoustic room problem sorry...You must "see" the room and take the necessary listening experiments to solve the problem and tune the room...

Economics is what the super-rich tell the Government what it is ! NO JOKE ,

My first year at Uni I took both Econ 101 and Logic 101 .

I was going nuts as one totally made the other a lie .

Went up to Econ Prof and told him my thoughts .

 

He looked at me for about a minute and nicely said to me , ": Yes, Econ is a mess but one decided upon " .

It can tell you 2x4 ain’t 5 which can be helpful .

90% of cut your head off guys would not have a Foundation which was not taxed at 5%. .

Who knew it was a Rockefeller's fault that an old Sansui integrated was worth more today than 5 years ago? 

You think that you are spot on about me with your sarcasm...You are not completely beside the target for sure... 😁😊

And i thank you because your two posts are very good and humorous and witty and SHORT...

But one this is said, yes the impact of the Rockfeller foundation in america education is so huge, that uneducetad mass specialization is one of the cause of audiophile ignorance beside marketing snake oil method...

Then we are BOTH right...

Save i spare my sarcasm when i can do it at the expanse of others....

I am less humble than you are for sure though ... And i say it WITHOUT sarcasm....

Truth matter most than my own post to me though....it is because of that that my posts had some CONTENT over any arguing with or without sarcasm....

i spoke too  much for my own good and i will mute myself now....😁😊

Who knew it was a Rockefeller’s fault that an old Sansui integrated was worth more today than 5 years ago?

 

Wow. Maybe it’s me but I don’t see where the confusion is coming from.

Just like cars , the new ones will be better in every way for less money, and true with many other things. 
Perhaps the confusion is the audiophile folks here think purely in terms of buying something with no emotional involvement and only it’s performance matters? 
I have a very nice main system, all “ new” stuff but also have vintage gear, Marantz  2325- Pioneer 1050- Yamaha 640- JBL L100 - Apt Holman- Adcom etc and love it all and the sound because it brings me back to listening to music when I was young. BTW some of it sounds really good! 
Yes the prices are getting high but have you noticed a BMW 2002 from the 70’s is big money? 
Some buy vintage to get something they wish they had, some to revisit stuff they had and then the hipsters want a look and some rarity. 
They all are enjoying it and isn’t that the point?