Upgrades that met/exceeded your expectations and those that felt short


What upgrades have you performed that actually met or exceeded your expectations vs. those that didn't?  

In order of perceived improvement:

1)  Pre-amp:  Move from Freya + to Bryston BP26.   This was the biggest change in sound quality that I have experienced to date.  The Freya + is an incredible value for the money and anyone looking for a preamp under $1K I would recommend the Schiit  Freya + in a heart beat.  That said, replacing the Freya with the Bryston was a game changer.  That's not a knock against the Freya as there should be a game changing improvement for the price difference but this is the point of the post.  This upgrade delivered and was thrilled with the improvement for the money spent.   The level of increased detail and musicality was night and day.  So much more information coming through I was simply amazed. 

2) DAC:  Move from a Node 2i to Audio Mirror Tubadour III.   I started my journey with a Node 2i as my streamer and DAC.  I decided to upgrade the DAC portion and bought the AM.  Wow.  A huge difference in sound quality.  The music seemed to slow down.  There was more time and space between the notes.  For a little over $1,000 this was an incredible improvement to the listening experience.  

3) Amplifiers:  Move from Schiit Vidar Monoblocks to Bryston 7b3 Monoblocks.  I bought the Vidars new and the Bryston's used but the price difference was still over $5k.  A big investment but a worthwhile improvement in sound quality.  I struggle with #2 vs. #3 as the sound difference going to the DAC was very upfront.  The amp difference was substantial but took a little more listening to really appreciate.  It was more nuanced than the DAC change but the amount of changes made for something bigger and expansive as a whole.  The music was enjoyable with the Vidars but everything was more transparent and tighter with the Bryston's.  The more I listen the more difference I hear.   Things really popped wide open when I added the Bryston Preamp to the Bryston Amps.  Previously I was using the Freya + with the Bryston's and it sounded good but this is a whole new game now.   I think it's simply better synergy.  The Freya has a high output impedance in balanced mode vs. the Bryston amp's extremely low input impedance of 7.5K ohms.  Lesson learned: Pay attention to component synergy.   

4) Speakers:  Vandersteen 2ci Signature II's to Magnepan 1.7's.  I rank this third on the list simply because both sound great.  It's really a matter of taste.  The Vandersteen's clearly win in the low end but the Magnepan's are impossible to beat IMO in the clarity of the highs.  I still own both and have gone back and forth several times but have stuck with the Maggie's just due to the vocal reproduction and the clarity (I listen to 80% Jazz)   

5) Digital:  Moving from Bluetooth connection between my w-ifi and the Node to a hardline LAN connection directly to the router.  This is a distant fourth behind the top three but still felt there was a decent improvement in quality.  Things just seemed a little sharper (in a good way) and was getting more information (note decay).  

Upgrades that didn't meet expectations:  

1) Streamer:  Upgraded Node 2i to Lumin U1 Mini.  After I added the Audio Mirror DAC and heard a game changing improvement I hoped I hear an equal improvement going to a dedicated streamer.  I am happy and don't regret the purchase but I didn't realize the same improvement from other upgrades.  The improvement  was very subtle to my ears.   

Upgrades TBD:

1) Cables:  I upgraded my cables from stock power cables and XLR's to Silnote cables for both.  I did the upgrade while still running the Schiit Freya + and Vidars and didn't here a whole lot of difference.  Either I didn't make a big enough upgrade to be audible or my system at the time was revealing enough.  Now that I've gone up the food chain on amps/preamp I intend to do some testing to compare the stock cables with the aftermarket upgrades to see if it made since tos spend the money.  
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Exceeded: Switching from a Node2 DAC to Mytek Manhattan II DAC. Shockingly big difference in all aspects but then again price is ~10x. 
Exceeded: Switching from stock power chords to Silnote Poseidon GL Reference Power Cables throughout my system. These are relatively cheap power chord upgrades as I wasn’t convinced PCs would make a discernible difference but man was I wrong. 
Exceeded: Switching from Node2 streamer to dedicated network card in Mytek Manhattan. Not nearly as big of a difference as the DAC upgrade but clearly not just 1s and 0s either. 
Exceeded, replacing a Bryston BDA-1 with a Audio Mirror Tubadour III DAC. The Bryston served me well for ~8 years however the Tubadour provides what I was looking for, tube magic with resolution.


Exceeded: PSVANE Acme 805 and 300b tubes, NOS 6SN7 and 6SL7 tubes to replace OE tubes on Line Magnetic LM805ia. Night and day difference. Do it before any other upgrades. _____________
Exceeded: DIY rca interconnect project using Duelund 16ga non-shielded wire. These blow away my Cardas Golden Reference cables. Best part, Duelund project $70. ____________
Exceeded: Generic Cat5e to Supra Cat8 with Etherregen. Almost no noise and black background. Better bass response, wider and taller soundstage, improved depth and image coherence.
Not worth it: Lower than “Carbon” line in Audioquest cables. Start from “Coffee” and work your way up from there.
In my experience it takes about 12-15 discrete systems to get the read of a product's global performance. Even then, it is possible with any given combo of gear to have an outlier result, either positive or negative. 

I am able to, on a regular basis, take a product that presents as worse in one system, and by changing the system around it, make it outperform the competing product that was purportedly superior, even without changing speakers. That is why it takes so many systems to gain insight as to the limits of performance. That does not assure it will always perform in line with expectation, but it does move it closer to that point. 

As an example of how fiendishly difficult it is to peg a product's performance, just this past week I made a rig with a DAC that after many systems I would rate as third in terms of performance. Yet, with a particular combination of gear and with new speakers, it yielded a result that superseded any previous iteration of system with it - or the other DACs that were considered superior! The experience is subjectively above that of other DACs in combination with many speakers. I have found that often the speakers dictate the performance of many components, and when you change speakers, the putative ranking of the components can flip. Scary stuff for anyone who wants to know with absolute assurance the quality of a component! 

Will that DAC continue to hold on to that position of prominence with these speakers? Will putting in the #1 and #2 DACs from previous experiences settle this DAC back at #3 again? I don't know; I will have to build another several systems with the other DACs to know. Finding a perceived absolute ranking is far messier than I want it to be. It would be much easier to build one or two rigs and call the shots, but the more systems that are built, the more difficult it is, even as the performance rises dramatically. 

That does not mean there is no potential to rank components. 

When you put in a new product and have not done many iterations (No judgment of the community on that comment), you have a very limited knowledge of the capacity of that product to perform. I say this only to educate as to how difficult it is to gain an absolute grip on performance of a product, and why there can be such divergent opinions on any given product - not to emphasize personal preferences.  

So, is that DAC really better than the others? It depends. And, all these recommendations here also depend on the system. I would hope, then, that this might ameliorate some of the debates that occur when individuals arrive at very different conclusions in regard to a product.  

It's just not as simple as people wish/think.   :) 


Awesome thread OP and thanks for sharing your experience with the freya +.

hilde made an excellent point and one I agree with.  Anything thats going to be an upgrade costs 2-3 times more.  I’ve made many sideways moves unfortunately.

Exceeded: GIK room treatments, upgraded power cords