In Defense of Audiophiles, Bose, Pass, Toole and Science


I don’t know why I look at Audio Science Reviews equipment reviews, they usually make me bang my head against my desk. The claims they make of being scientific is pretty half-baked. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate measurements, and the time it takes to conduct them, along with insights into the causes, but judging all electronics based on 40+ year old measurements which have not really become closer to explaining human perception and enjoyment, they claim to be objective scientists. They are not. Let me tell you some of the people who are:

  1. Bose
  2. Harman
  3. Nelson Pass
  4. Floyd Toole


This may look like a weird list, but here is what all these have in common: They strive to link together human perception and enjoyment of a product to measurements. Each have taken a decidedly different, but very successful approach. They’ve each asked the question differently. I don’t always agree with the resulting products, but I can’t deny that their approach is market based and scientific.


Floyd Toole’s writing on room tuning, frequency response and EQ combines exact measurements with human perception, and as big a scientist as he is he remains skeptical of measurements, and with good reasons.


The process Nelson Pass uses is exactly right. His hypothesis is that a certain type of distortion, along with other important qualities, are what make for a great sounding amp, and lets face it, the process, and his effectiveness cannot be denied as not being scientific or financially successful. Far more scientific than designing or buying an amp based on THD% at 1 watt alone.


Bose is also very very scientific, but they come at the problem differently. Their question is: What is the least expensive to manufacture product we can make given what most consumers actually want to hear?" Does it work? They have 8,000 employees and approximately $4B in sales per Forbes:


https://www.forbes.com/companies/bose/#1926b3a81c46


Honestly, I don’t know how your average Bose product would measure, but you don’t get to these numbers without science. Assuming they measure poorly, doesn’t that mean measurements are all wrong?


The work Harman has done in getting listening panels together, and trying out different prototypes while adhering to previous science is also noteworthy. Most notably and recently with their testing of speaker dispersion which has resulted in the tweeter wave guides in the latest Revel speakers. They move science forward with each experiment, and then put that out into their products.


Regardless of the camp you fall into, crusty old measurements, perception measurements or individual iconoclast, we also must account for person to person variability. It’s been shown for instance that most people have poor sensitivity to phase shifts in speakers (like me), but if you are THAT person who has severe sensitivity to it, then all those studies don’t mean a thing.


My point is, let’s not define science as being purely in the domain of an oscilloscope. Science is defined by those who push the boundaries forward, and add to our understanding of human perception as well as electron behavior through a semi-conductor and air pressure in a room. If it’s frozen in 40 year old measurements, it’s not science, it's the worship of a dead icon.


Best,


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erik_squires
In 1977, when Bose was a small company and the original 901s were current in the market, I had the distinct privilege of attending a lecture by Dr. Amar Bose.  I was a young 22-year-old and working as a stereo salesman for Pacific Stereo (a large chain, stereo retailer) in Southern California.  The setting was in the home of the Bose Sales Rep Company and the size of our group was about 12.  Food and wine, then Dr. Bose.  What a wonderful presentation!  I can tell you that Bose speaker development was most certainly driven by science.  Funny thing is, I didn't like the sound then and never have since.  Bose' scientific development of speakers did not result in the sound that "moved me".  But I did sell a lot of Bose speakers.  I was able to use the teachings of Dr. Bose directly to my sales presentations.  The consumers loved them and paid their hard earned money to buy them.  Was that due to marketing and hype?  Was that due to the sound they were hearing?  I can't really say.  But truth of the matter is that Dr. Bose certainly chose the path of science in developing his speakers.  What the company is today, however, is very different from what it was back then.  But that is an entirely different topic of sheer business.  Anyway, it was very cool to meet Dr. Bose and hear what he had to say.  It's a good memory for me, do doubt.
And now, after finishing my career in the CE industry (several very nice jobs, on the factory side of the business), I am retired and, once again, back to building my latest (and best) home high-fidelity music system.  What a pleasure it is!
What other scientific endeavor accepts subjective opinion as evidence and rejects scientifically accepted DBX testing as worthless? 

djones51
What other scientific endeavor accepts subjective opinion as evidence and rejects scientifically accepted DBX testing as worthless?

>>>>>Ironically it’s only your opinion that DBX testing is accepted by all scientific endeavors, and your opinion is actually false. It is certainly not accepted in the audio endeavor for all the reasons I’ve oft pointed out. Much to the chagrine of pseudo skeptics everywhere. 😩 😩 😳 😤 😤😡🤬
Good catch, mapman, it doesn’t. It defends “scientific” institutions like AES and other stodgy Backward 🔙 orgs.