@yoshimitsu- You specifically said your E88CC tube has the silver shields(and- undoubtedly: an internal date code). Those are a distinctly different sounding tube, than the earlier, grey shield, CCa, as I described. ie: https://www.tubemuseum.org/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=SH%2DCCA%2D1963 Never bought from this reference. Just posted for the pics and your benefit.
Help me decide which E88CC tubes i should buy
Hey
I spent 2 days researching about tubes, from technicalities like measurements, what to look for when buying etc how they sound and which sound the best as a common consensus.
I only need a single driver tube for my Decware Taboo MK III, currently i am using a Siemens E88CC with silver shields, 2x Tungsram EL84 and 1x Svetlana rectifier.
Khadas tone board as DAC and Fostex X00 Purple Hearts as headphones. I really like how the Siemens sounds but i am not the first owner of the amp so i can't say how much use that tube has gotten already.
I've also tried the Philips SQ Heerlen '60, which are a bit cleaner/slightly less veiled than the Siemens, they were not new either around 66%/70% of NOS value. So it may not be a direct apple to apple comparison. They seem to boost the midrange quite a bit tho which is very noticable considering that my headphones have very recessed mids.
After testing back and forth i always end up back to the Siemens and don't feel the need to look back, but as soon as i try my Philips for more than 1 hour i start to miss the Siemens. But i don't think that the Siemens are objectively better than the Philips.
Anyway. I narrowed it down to:
Siemens E88CC. cca. Telefunken cca, Amperex 7038 or Amperex PQ US made, Reflector 1975 "holy grail".
They all score well above 100% except the Reflector which are like 95% of NOS spec and all costs around 80$, except the Siemens e88cc might find for a bit less.
Any suggestions?
I couldn't find much info on the Reflector seems a bit of a dark horse except that one head-fi thread where 17 tubes get compared. Really as good as they say or just one persons experience?
It would be interesting to hear your opinions and experiences, i haven't found any posts where these tubes get compared.
Best regards
I spent 2 days researching about tubes, from technicalities like measurements, what to look for when buying etc how they sound and which sound the best as a common consensus.
I only need a single driver tube for my Decware Taboo MK III, currently i am using a Siemens E88CC with silver shields, 2x Tungsram EL84 and 1x Svetlana rectifier.
Khadas tone board as DAC and Fostex X00 Purple Hearts as headphones. I really like how the Siemens sounds but i am not the first owner of the amp so i can't say how much use that tube has gotten already.
I've also tried the Philips SQ Heerlen '60, which are a bit cleaner/slightly less veiled than the Siemens, they were not new either around 66%/70% of NOS value. So it may not be a direct apple to apple comparison. They seem to boost the midrange quite a bit tho which is very noticable considering that my headphones have very recessed mids.
After testing back and forth i always end up back to the Siemens and don't feel the need to look back, but as soon as i try my Philips for more than 1 hour i start to miss the Siemens. But i don't think that the Siemens are objectively better than the Philips.
Anyway. I narrowed it down to:
Siemens E88CC. cca. Telefunken cca, Amperex 7038 or Amperex PQ US made, Reflector 1975 "holy grail".
They all score well above 100% except the Reflector which are like 95% of NOS spec and all costs around 80$, except the Siemens e88cc might find for a bit less.
Any suggestions?
I couldn't find much info on the Reflector seems a bit of a dark horse except that one head-fi thread where 17 tubes get compared. Really as good as they say or just one persons experience?
It would be interesting to hear your opinions and experiences, i haven't found any posts where these tubes get compared.
Best regards
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btw: Don’t know if this seller(in Germany) has anything, that would interest you. But- He’s been in the business for decades and I’ve found him very knowledgeable, honest and dependable. https://www.ebay.com/sch/audiotubes_de/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from= Perhaps:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-tube-CCa-Siemens-Munich-grey-plate-6922-E88CC-201037/133305469704?hash=item1f09a00b08:g:-ZMAAOSwNlleH2ch
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Another, "btw": It’s important, when reading tube comparisons, to pay close attention to the descriptions of the tube construction and dates of manufacture. The presentations can vary(dramatically), between iterations/years, even of the same designation(ie: grey plate vs silver plate CCa). Keep in mind; the really good sounding Reflektor 6N23p tubes, were from a very narrow production run. It’s been my experience; they’re rare, in the extreme. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/6922-tube-review-17-top-6922-6n23p-e88cc-cca-7308-e188cc-tubes.761078/ Here's another highly regarded, honest and dependable seller:
http://www.audiotubes.com/6dj8.htm
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Prices are just ludicrous, i can get the tubes this guy is selling for 400$ each for 80$. Idk how audiophiles can get a long with that. It's a tube, shouldn't costs more than 40$ realistically. There is no engineering or manufacturing costs involved, don't even take up a lot of storage space. Anyway I don't have a CCa, i have a normal E88CC. https://imgur.com/a/tEcacPO I'll go with a Reflector and maybe a Siemens aswell if i can find one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. And maybe a french Mazda aswell. Has anyone had experience with the Tungsram E88CC and italian tubes? |
rodman999994,221 posts02-29-2020 6:52amAnother, "btw": It’s important, when reading tube comparisons, to pay close attention to the descriptions of the tube construction and dates of manufacture. The presentations can vary(dramatically), between iterations/years, even of the same designation(ie: grey plate vs silver plate CCa). Keep in mind; the really good sounding Reflektor 6N23p tubes, were from a very narrow production run. It’s been my experience; they’re rare, in the extreme.The production run you speak is the whole of the year 1975. Both silver and grey shields were produced. The silver shields are generally considered superior though some might find the grey shields which have a bit less detail retrieval but a more liquid and musical presentation more to their tastes. 1974 is considered a very good year for the Reflektor 6n23p as well, with the silver and grey shields having the same general differences between them as 1975. |
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