Watts and power


Can somebody break it down in layman's terms for me? Why is it that sometimes an amp that has a high watt rating (like, say, a lot of class D amps do) don't seem to always have the balls that much lower rated A or AB amps do? I have heard some people say, "It's not the watts, it's the power supply." Are they talking about big honkin' toroidal transformers? I know opinions vary on a speaker like, say, Magnepans - Maggies love power, right? A lot of people caution against using class D amps to drive them and then will turn around and say that a receiver like the Outlaw RR2160 (rated at 110 watts into 8 ohms) drives Maggies really well! I'm not really asking about differences between Class D, A, or AB so much as I am asking about how can you tell the POWER an amp has from the specs? 
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Georgehifi,

Here is the difference between me and you. Your posts are all conjecture and hand-waving. Conjecture and hand waving is ..... well just that.
Again, let's look at facts:
  • 1500 watts into 2 ohms is 27 amps
  • 100 watts into 2 ohms is 7 amps
  • Maximum dissipation in a LINEAR amplifier with a real speaker load DOES NOT happen at the spot on the speaker impedance curve where the current delivery is highest.
  • Class-D is not impacted by phase w.r.t. power delivery in the same way a linear amplifier is, either in device dissipation or power supply loading.
  • Other than knowing an amplifier can deliver 100 watts into 2 ohms, you have no data that shows the power supply is any more capable of supporting continuous additional power delivery and the dissipation peak of the speaker load
  • You have not heard the Alexia with the Behringer, but you are making many claims that you don't have the requisite data to support.
  • You are deflecting bringing up OTL amplifiers
  • There are many reasons why power may not double with every 1/2ing of the impedance, and without knowing what that reason is, you can't made factual conclusions about an amplifier beyond that it will clip at a given wattage and load impedance (as stated in the specs). If the 2 ohm wattage is stated (and distortion components), and given that impedance doesn't drop below 2 ohms for almost all speakers, then beyond knowing where clipping will occur for 2 amplifiers, you really don't know much else. Any other conclusion you arrive at is purely assumption.


@audiozenology.....thanks for the feedback.  I don't comment on here much.....too much back and forth banter.  So I just read and form my own opinion.  I've become a lot more 'tech savvy' than I used to be.  There's a guy  on CL selling this Proton 'beast'.  What's your impression of the review?  He wants $750 for it. I know they are rare. Not trying to hijack this thread....haha  Judging from your answer, you like the Proton specs I'm guessing.  http://www.hifi-classic.net/review/proton-d1200-165.html
sejodiren
There’s a guy on CL selling this Proton ’beast’. What’s your impression of the review? He wants $750 for it.

This if in good working order >25 years old now (any bad caps have been renewed) it should be a good BJT (bi-polar) amp, at least if the specs are right (typo 175w should be 275w), and increases it’s wattage substantially for each halving of impedance all the way to 2ohms. BTW nice twin R-Core transformer also.
"The D1200’s output clipped at rms
155 watts into 8 ohms
275 watts into 4 ohms
350 watts into 2 ohms

With peaks of
593 watts - 8ohms
1,187watts - 4ohms
1,800 watts - 2ohms,

Here is a great video test clip this guy did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL8R-vJRo54&feature=youtu.be


Cheers George