Another Analog v. Digital Thread? Not Really


I’ll try to keep this as short as possible. The premise is this: If the highest compliment that can be given to digital is that it sounds analog, why bother with digital? I would never have posted this question, but the other week something happened. After owning my Oppo 205 for about a year and a half, I decided to sell it given the fact I wasn’t that crazy about it and the selling prices were quite good, although I posted mine for significantly less than many others are asking. BTW - In the last month I owned the Oppo, I found it tremendously improved by placing a Vibrapod 3 under each foot.

So a nice young man comes by for an audition and he likes the Oppo very much and purchases it. He is into 4k and all that stuff, but also wants some better audio quality. So that’s that.

Before he leaves, he asks to hear a vinyl record played on my Basis turntable. It’s a nice table - 2001 with Vector arm and Transfiguration Orpheus. I would rate it as the low end of the high end. Well the guy’s jaw just dropped. After sitting for an hour listening to the Oppo, he says that everything is so much more "alive" was the word he used and he couldn’t get his mind around the fact that he was listening to the exact same system with everything the same except the source.

I was considering replacing the Oppo with something like a Cambridge transport and Orchid dac because I have to play my CDs, right? But then I starting thinking why I had to play CDs anymore at all. It’s not so crazy when you think about it. Many of us gave up vinyl when CDs started getting decent, so what’s so strange about going back in the other direction?

So I asked myself - if analog is so much better, why would I even bother listening to CDs anymore?
Convenience? Well, sure, but I don’t really consider putting on a record very inconvenient, so that’s not really it.
Many titles on CD that are not on vinyl? I think that argument may be largely dissipated nowdays. It seems that virtually anything I would remotely want to listen to is available on vinyl, either new or used. You have thousands of CDs? OK, but if they don’t sound as good as a record, why would you want to listen to them just because you have them. I know it seems like a waste, but it happens sometimes.

Let me just finish with this, so there’s no confusion. If you have some insane high-end digital rig that you believe outdoes analog, this is not directed to you. But, for anyone who believes the best compliment you can give to digital is that it sounds analog, why bother? Also, to you streamers out there, the freedom from having a large quantity of physical media in your home is definitely a good argument. We all collect too much stuff and it’s nice to get rid of some.

Hopefully, this will be taken in the spirit it’s given, but I doubt it.
Merry Christmas, really.
chayro
All other things being equal, in my experience a good turntable/cartridge/Phono preamp combination still beats the crap out a good DAC or a CD (even when the digital unit is tuned and tweaked to sound as warm and analog as possible). 

Good digital will beat middling or mediocre analog but it will not beat out a out a good analog rig. 

If vinyl noise is an issue I would suggest you try a Sugarcube by a company called SweetVinyl. This component removes the the ticks and pops inaudibly-- and even though yes, it does this digitally (in the time domain), the AD-DA conversion is studio quality and in virtually all cases you will be unable to hear this device in your chain whether it's engaged or bypassed (they use hard relays for bypass so the audio passes through none of their circuitry). This is my opinion, but I do have a fairly high resolution system that picks up minute detail. I use it for noisy records only, usually it's in bypass mode. They have models that also rip your vinyl, split the tracks, and allow you to easily add the metadata just by entering the LP's catalog number. Best of both worlds.
Why would I want anything to sound "warm"? Warm is artificial. It is flawed. No thanks.

Funny to read "warm" mentioned as "artificial" lol. I love warm music and a system that can play it. Two bosses of mine who use to also love saying warm were Louis Lane and Robert Shaw.

mg

For $20k total budget for speakers, amp/pre, digital (let’s say just streamer and dac, not cd) and analog (tt/cart/phonostage), how much would you spend on each to get best synchrony ?  Leave cables and room treatment out for now. 
Would this make sense?
Speakers 8k
amp/pre 5k
digital 3k
analog 4K. 
Or would you tweak the above?  
I am not giving up any of my CDs, SACD,s DVD-As; etc. just as I never gave up any of my vinyl!!!!! I paid good money for all that stuff and almost all of it has given me a tremendous amount of enjoyment and still does. When I’m playing a LP I don’t ask myself if it sounds analog. When I’m playing a disc or FLAC file, it doesn’t occur to me to ask myself if it sounds analog, either. I just play what sounds good to me and enjoy it. I have examples of every media that are wonderful and a few that are absolute duds. But if a song or songs that are memorable for me are only available on dud recordings; I won’t deny myself the pleasure. I have also bought digital recordings of albums I have that sound better to me than the vinyl....although that is because I’ve worn out the vinyl in a few instances.