What is wrong with audiophiles?


Something that has happened countless times happened again last night. Ordinary people over for a party listening to some music easily hear things audiophiles argue endlessly don't even exist. Oh, its worse even than that- they not only easily hear but are stunned and amazed at what they hear. Its absolutely clearly obvious this is not anything they ever were expecting, not anything they can explain- and also is not anything they can deny. Because its so freaking obvious! Happens every time. Then I come on here and read one after another not only saying its impossible, but actually ridiculing people for the audacity of reporting on the existence of reality.

What is wrong with audiophiles?

Okay, concrete examples. Easy demos done last night. Cable Elevators, little ceramic insulators, raise cables off the floor. There's four holding each speaker cable up off the floor. Removed them one by one while playing music. Then replaced them. Music playing the whole time. First one came out, instant the cable goes on the floor the guy in the sweet spot says, "OH! WTF!?!?!"

Yeah. Just one. One by one, sound stage just collapses. Put em back, image depth returns.

Another one? Okay.

Element CTS cables have Active Shielding, another easy demo. Unplug, plug back in. Only takes a few seconds. Tuning bullets. Same thing. These are all very easy to demo while the music is playing without interruption. This kills like I don' know how many birds with one stone. Auditory memory? Zero. Change happens real time. Double blind? What could be more double blind than you don't know? Because nobody, not me, not the listener, not one single person in the room, knows exactly when to expect to hear a change- or what change to expect, or even if there would be any change to hear at all. Heck, even I have never sat there while someone did this so even I did not know it was possible to hear just one, or that the change would happen not when the Cable Elevator was removed but when the cable went down on the floor.

We're talking real experience here people. No armchair theorizing. What real people really hear in real time playing real music in a real room.

I could go on. People who get the point will get the point. People who ridicule- ALWAYS without ever bothering to try and hear for themselves!- will continue to hate and argue.

What is wrong with audiophiles?

Something almost all audiophiles insist on, its like Dogma 101, you absolutely always must play the same "revealing" track over and over again. Well, I never do this. Used to. Realized pretty quickly though just how boring it is. Ask yourself, which is easier to concentrate on- something new and interesting? Or something repetitive and boring? You know the answer. Its silly even to argue. Every single person in my experience hears just fine without boring them to tears playing the same thing over and over again. Only audiophiles subject themselves to such counterproductive tedium.

What is wrong with audiophiles????
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No, Zippy, I was not lying. But that assignment has nothing to do with training. That’s where fish in your diet might help. You know, with your failing memory. What my job there entailed is uh, not for your eyes.👀
"What my job there entailed is uh, not for your eyes.👀"
Bragging again? Come on, we have all seen such movies.
So tell us just what that job is?   I am really quite looking forward to the story you will spin. Can you wait 3:30 while I make popcorn?

In the meantime, while people are waiting, here is another thread from Stereophile forums in September 2014, 5 years ago. It seems that all you ever do is create chaos and piss people off while actually bringing a sum quantity of 0 to any conversation, if not negative because you will try to shill your stuff.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/absolutely-classless-stereophile


toledoOffline It's a tough call with Geoff. 

It's a tough call with Geoff. You want to treat people with respect but need to adjust their behavior.
Who knows, maybe one day he will surprise us all and clean up his "act" and not treat this place like his personal playground.

He certainly does twist himself into knots, though and you can always tell by the frustrated summations or lashing out or simply saying "no I am not" like a little kid.

I think Geoff needs to understand that he does not have to reply to every comment and set himself up with the weirdest logic or insult people when he has nothing better to say.

If I was selling his types of products, I might have a chip on my shoulder too.


Quantum physics: Our study suggests objective reality doesn’t exist

They are being polite. It’s not even possible to be a suggestion; the definition of science done in proper logical frameworks, explicitly states that objective reality is not possible. Even zanier...they use the word fact.

the PEAR institute illustrated this clearly, in a set of meta experiments that have, by all the scientists involved..have less of a chance of being wrong, at 3 billion to one.

What they illustrated is that reality is entirely subjective to the point that those who disagree can create their own reality that is separate from one who believes and projects something else. That this basic point is correct to the odds of 3 billion to one. This is not exactly what they proved, but it is part of the package.

Part of the dominoes that fall on that one...is that scientific facts that are considered to be universal, by definition, cannot and do not exist. That there can be mass aggregate scenarios where the smaller part is forced along in an eddy current flow kinda way, but that realities and projections are one and the same.

Subjective, not ever objective. Long story.....
Objective reality in an absolute sense of the word is a concept that makes sense for the works of engineer, for true scientist man " participate" to phenomena...I am with you teo_audio