br3098. You meant to say : There is no reason why these speakers will " not " sound great with your Primaluna. A newbie might not take what you said the proper way. All good, and I am sorry for re - appearing here.
Speaker advice for listening to Blues music
Hi, new to the forum, and hoping I can get some help finding the right speakers... I'm a Blues guitar player and have a dedicated music room for my guitars/amps. I usually spend time playing my guitars and recently decided to setup a decent system for listening to my Blues music. I first started with a Marantz integrated (PM8005) and some Kef R300, source is a Marantz ND8006 and I mostly play FLAC files from a NAS, but also started streaming from Spotify and now trying Tidal. This setup was great at first, very revealing, but found the R300 were not the right speakers for the kind of music I listen to, but they were great for some Jazz and did well with good recordings, which most of my Blues recordings weren't, specially live albums. I also found them to be a little boomy in that small room (12' X 12'), so I moved them to the living room instead and added a matching center, they're perfect there.
Next came the LS50, read so much about them I had to get a pair to try. Wow! I still can't believe what these small speakers can do, the details I hear, soundstage, imaging, it's all there. But, just like the R300, since they're so revealing they're horrible with my favorite Blues recordings. It's great to listen to excellent recordings and enjoy the music these speakers are making but I want to enjoy MY music, the Blues greats I've been listening to for over 30 years. If it sounds great in the car then I should be able to find the right gear to duplicate at home, right? On some good Blues recordings it sounds excellent, but most of my favorites aren't good recordings.
Since I only play my guitars through old Fender amps I figured I should replace the Marantz integrated with a tube amp, so next came the PrimaLuna integrated. I wanted to get a "warmer" sound and hope it'll fix the issues I was having with most crappy recordings... I want to hear BB's beautiful guitar tone and crank it up, without hurting my ears. Both Kefs were too fatiguing to listen to. And on most live recordings guitars sound way too thin and bright, not what I'm used to hearing. A good example is Albert King's Wednesday Night in San Francisco, that Flying V can be painful to listen to after a couple of minutes! Not so in the car or even just using headphones and my laptop. I understand that it's because the system is more revealing, but is it possible to have both, revealing and musical so that one can enjoy the music they love? The PrimaLuna did help and it's staying, I like what I'm hearing so far, and I get to play with tubes, something I enjoy doing already :)
Right now I'm breaking in some Wharfedale Denton 80th, I wanted to try something with a soft dome tweeter, something less fatiguing than the LS50. I'm at 70+ hours so far and they're sounding much better, not as fatiguing, but something is missing... I prefer the LS50's soundstage and details, but they're both not that great for electric guitar. The Dentons are more forgiving but I don't find them musical and they don't disappear like the LS50s do.
So what are my choices? Do I stick with bookshelf, try some floor standing? What about single driver speakers (Omega, Zu...)? Are those the answer to what I'm looking for? I need something more forgiving, musical, efficient so I can crank it up when I feel like playing along some times... I want the guitar to sound full and not thin and bright. It's a small room and not a lot of space due to my guitar gear. My budget is also limited, would like to keep it under $2k, I already have a hobby and don't want this to get out of control :)
Forgot to mention, I also have a Rel sub, so not too worried about the low end. Sorry for the long post and thanks for any help!
Next came the LS50, read so much about them I had to get a pair to try. Wow! I still can't believe what these small speakers can do, the details I hear, soundstage, imaging, it's all there. But, just like the R300, since they're so revealing they're horrible with my favorite Blues recordings. It's great to listen to excellent recordings and enjoy the music these speakers are making but I want to enjoy MY music, the Blues greats I've been listening to for over 30 years. If it sounds great in the car then I should be able to find the right gear to duplicate at home, right? On some good Blues recordings it sounds excellent, but most of my favorites aren't good recordings.
Since I only play my guitars through old Fender amps I figured I should replace the Marantz integrated with a tube amp, so next came the PrimaLuna integrated. I wanted to get a "warmer" sound and hope it'll fix the issues I was having with most crappy recordings... I want to hear BB's beautiful guitar tone and crank it up, without hurting my ears. Both Kefs were too fatiguing to listen to. And on most live recordings guitars sound way too thin and bright, not what I'm used to hearing. A good example is Albert King's Wednesday Night in San Francisco, that Flying V can be painful to listen to after a couple of minutes! Not so in the car or even just using headphones and my laptop. I understand that it's because the system is more revealing, but is it possible to have both, revealing and musical so that one can enjoy the music they love? The PrimaLuna did help and it's staying, I like what I'm hearing so far, and I get to play with tubes, something I enjoy doing already :)
Right now I'm breaking in some Wharfedale Denton 80th, I wanted to try something with a soft dome tweeter, something less fatiguing than the LS50. I'm at 70+ hours so far and they're sounding much better, not as fatiguing, but something is missing... I prefer the LS50's soundstage and details, but they're both not that great for electric guitar. The Dentons are more forgiving but I don't find them musical and they don't disappear like the LS50s do.
So what are my choices? Do I stick with bookshelf, try some floor standing? What about single driver speakers (Omega, Zu...)? Are those the answer to what I'm looking for? I need something more forgiving, musical, efficient so I can crank it up when I feel like playing along some times... I want the guitar to sound full and not thin and bright. It's a small room and not a lot of space due to my guitar gear. My budget is also limited, would like to keep it under $2k, I already have a hobby and don't want this to get out of control :)
Forgot to mention, I also have a Rel sub, so not too worried about the low end. Sorry for the long post and thanks for any help!
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@mrdecibel you're welcome to stop by and post here, appreciate your input! And yes I figured that's what br3098 meant. I wanted to also give an update... I managed to hear some Klipsch speakers yesterday, a local seller had the Heresy III listed and was kind enough to let me hear them. I was shocked at how BIG they sounded! And yes live Blues didn't sound as bad, but, I did not like the way they sounded, almost sounded like PA speakers to me. There was something missing, like specific frequency range (maybe low mids?) was not there, made it sound kinda hollow. He was driving the speakers with some nice vintage amps. He also had a pair of old La Scalas in the same room, so he hooked them up to the same gear and it was a much better experience! They sounded full, warm, detailed, just perfect! With the Heresy it sounded too crowded, no instrument separation, just too messy for me, almost like being in a bar listening to music coming from a PA speaker. The Heresy are probably not broken in yet, but I don't know if after they're broken in they will sound anything like the much bigger La Scala. In another room he also had a set of Chorus II, driven by some old tube monoblocks, they sounded perfect too! Just full and so musical, that's probably what I would choose, but the size... So, there you have it... I think I just need to find some full range speakers with bigger drivers, with softer highs, not too big, and I'll be set. |
Cedarblues, I also use a Thor PS10 power conditioner/surge protector with with its supplied proprietaty power board. Every component is plugged into that powerboard. Makes sense to me. It certainly made a positive audible difference. I'd never bothered with one until lightning took out the pole mounted transformer 2 doors down and fritzed my DAC. Now, I wouldn't be wthout one for the aforementioned audible improvement alone. |
I second open baffle. Right now I'm listening to Eva Cassidy Nightbird on Spatial M4 Triode Specials in my 12 X 12 office. I use a Martin Logan Grotto sub and the amp is an Ekco EV55SE integrated. The amp uses KT88 tubes for 55/28 WPC in Ultralinear/Triode. To me it sounds best in triode with low feedback. There is nothing harsh, no glare, and vocals are fantastic. |
Maybe you need a Betsy - haven't heard them but from what I read they sing with tubes http://www.caintuckaudio.com/In_Stock.html |
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