Digital integrated alternatives to SET tube system


Hello,

Recently I have been contemplating moving over to an all in one digital set up for my front end such as the Lyngdorf 2170 or Devialet 200 etc.  I have read the entire 2170 thread.

I currently run a tube pre to a Line Magnetic 508 (upgraded tubes on both) to Audionote AN-E Lx/He speakers (ANK kit 003). My source is mainly digital consisting of an Aries Mini running USB to my DAC. All interconnects are solid core silver.

I absolutely love the sound of my current set up but I don’t have any local dealer support or anywhere to test tubes etc. Any time I hear something "off" in my system, I’m reminded of this fact. Also the convenience factor of an all in one would be great and I’m sure my wife would agree!

I’m really looking for something that will sound amazing with my Audionotes. Most reviews I’ve found on these types of amps don’t really speak much on using them with high sensitivity speakers which makes sense in most cases. I do of course realize I will be giving up certain SET/tube characteristics.

I really like the Room Correction feature on the Lyndorf as well as having a few different EQ settings to play with, although they are "pre set".


Caveats:

1) Price $4600 US or $6000 Can used.

2) Must play nice with high sensitivity speakers and maintain dynamics/soundstage at lower volumes.

2) USB input would be a plus.

3) May or may not have an internal DAC.

4) I don’t like a lean/thin sound or truncated highs.


Please give me your recommendations and thoughts. Thanks.


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I do have spares but I’ve had poor experiences purchasing tubes over the years already. Had a brand new power tube fail within a month or so. And a NOS Black Treasure flare up and die the first time I plunked it in. With these being matched pairs, it makes it harder to find another spare. I’m also finding the sound just doesn’t seem to be 100% consistent day to day. I’ll sometimes get flutter or static here or there, slightly shifting soundstage or things are good for a week at a time. Now days I’m having a hard time taking off my analytical hat and just being able to enjoy the music. And troubleshooting a pre amp/amp with 11 tubes in the system just doesn’t tickle my fancy any more and as they age it won’t get much better.
I get all of that!
Here are a few tips that makes this all go a lot easier!

1. Always buy tubes from a source that allows you to return them if defective.
2. As soon as you get the spares, run them in the system a few days to make sure they are good; then set them aside since they are spares. Now you know they are good.
3. If a channel acts up, the first thing to do is to swap the interconnect cable left for right going into the amps. If the problem moves, its the cable or the preamp. If it does not, its the amp or the speakers. Swap the speaker cables at the back of the amps to determine the latter; if the problem moves its the amps.

4. If you've sorted out what bit of equipment has a problem, then swap the tubes left for right and its pretty easy at that point to sort out the bad tube.

5. You can knock on tubes to find out if they are a source of static or microphonics. Some tubes can be so microphonic that rubbing them gently on the top is more effective.

I'd like to say that you can find a solid state amp with the smoother more emotionally involving nature of tubes, but so far that has yet to be the case. I know you've had a lot of suggestions here and some are pretty good, and those amps will probably have tradeoffs with the one you have now. But if you find that they just don't have that 'something', that 'something' is probably emotional involvement with the music. This happens when the brain processes music in the limbic centers the way its supposed to- when things go awry then it processes music in the cerebral cortex and the emotional connection is vastly reduced!
The main reason we lose that emotional connection has to do with distortion- tubes make far less of the distortions that the ear/brain system finds irritating (and also uses to sense sound pressure). Transistors make more of these distortions (higher ordered harmonics)- that is why they tend to sound brighter, even though on paper they have flat bandwidth...

Honestly, you should look at an Accuphase Receiver running in Class A with or without a Dac card. That would be a perfect match where you can keep the warmth of your tubes but with even more bass control. I have borrowed my friends Devialet 140 expert pro and it is really a simple solution your wife will love. The current and control are amazing. I thought bass was bloated with the stock powercord (never a fan of audioquest) and swapped the cord to Purist Audio and then the amp was smooth as can be. The phono stage is really cool as you can adjust the loadings on the fly to see what sounds best and record noise is way reduced. I have run modified Tact equipment in the past and what i found is that it tended to lean it out to give you more pinpoint detail. When i say lean it out a double bass will pluck fast and accurate but the body of the double bass won’t resonate as much. so if that’s your thing worth a consideration. The amp was very nice, not like all the current ice/class D that are just boring. Right now I’m considering Devialet 440 Expert Pro or Line Magnetic 30watt Class A triode integrated to power my Rockport Aviors. Right now i have Theta Citadel 1.5 amps and Line Magnetic 518ia that I swap between. I do love SET/Triode but the heat here in Arizona makes my AC run non-stop
The Aleph or First Watt Suggestions would not disappoint you and keep your tube preamp.
if you go solid state you need to change those solid silver interconnects or at least try a pure copper version from the dealers when borrowing.  

@atmasphere All great tips for any tube users! I am excited to try out the Devialet once I get it home. Although I’m just getting home from work, then leaving the country for two weeks. Oh well, something to play with once I’m home. And I’ve already got my pre and power amp sold!

@cytocycle Very much appreciate the suggestion. I have picked up a Devialet 200 for now. I am curious to see how the silver cables work in the system as the Audionotes tend to lean on the warmer/saturated sound without treble glare. May be a match made in heaven. If not, I've got 3 pairs of Audioquest Mackenzies to swap in for now.

On another note, I couldn’t pass up a deal on a set of new LS50W’s and matching stands for a second system/bedroom. Lots of fun to be had when I get home.