Cartridges: Complete Scam?

I don't understand waht you want to ask?

There is wristwatches with quartz movements for 100$ that show time much more exact than any Patek Philippe for 100k$. My friend have painted almost the same picture as Picasso, but no one want to buy it for 100$, Picassos painting was sold for 10 millions $ and they are almost the same quality.

And so we can continue with examples in all spheres of our lives.

Of corse 2,5k$ cartridges are better than 200$, if you know why you need it. The same is with loudspeakers, amplifiers, turntables etc. 

stop replying and it will go away.

Holly #x$& Madavid0,

I can't believe some of the replies you're getting for a pertinent question. Some of these Files have got theirs heads right up there. Stevecham, " I choose to save my input for a more enlightened and deserving poster".

I ask you Madavid0 .... how does this guy breath?

I've used various cartridges, on various tables, using various arms & cables since the mid-70's.

I also have a life; house, cars, skis, taxes, electricity, water, add a few more & what's left is the audio fund.

I've owned various Audio Technica's, a Nagaoka, a Grace, a Grado Sonata, spun a Benz Glider, and listened to many a Low-MC's in the $3500 dollar range.
Out of my own personal stuff my fave was the Grace. It cost me $300 dollars in 1980 .... about $945 in today's money - - - + arm board + set-up + tax .... say $1200 bucks out the door.

Right now I'm setting money aside for a Dynavector-DV20X2-H, which will put me out about $1200 bucks out the door. So dollar wise things are about the same.

What about the Grado? Well it's like several guys have posted, " it has to be set up correctly & there's got to be a synergy with your gear ".

I like the Grado, it was priced right, (new arm-board, set-up & taxes) $800 CDN out the door. It's warm, lush, quick, lovely sound stage, neutral, but it's the wrong set-up.

With my Pre-amp the 0.5 output voltage is too weak, I should have chosen the 5.0 Sonata, which is what the Grace was.

Another stain on me was not doing enough research concerning a Rega RB-300 arm, matched to a Grado Sonata MI cartridge. Add an Oracle TT & we have the infamous Grado hum. (BTW) Grado refused to assist.

 To answer your question, are high-end cartridge purchases a scam? Well that depends. You're spinning records here, you're not making Ben Hurr, so what is the sound of music worth to you?

For me, Hi-Fi is one of my great joys in life, my table cost me $1800 CDN in 1980, the arm $350 & the cartridge another $300. Since then I've bought one tone-arm (Discovery phono cable Incl) and the Grado $800, and now another grand for the DV Dynavector. Not including the Pre-amps I've purchased, that's well over $4 grand to spin records for 37 years. Some say that's nuts, some say that's small potatoes.

I think you should be able to get a good starter kit (used) to spin your records, with a new cartridge for $2500.

Will esoteric low-MC cartridges costing $3500 & up sound leaps & bounds better than a properly set-up $1000 dollar unit? Well .... if you have an outstanding recording to start with, a room with proper proportions, a room with properly placed acoustic treatments, a well matched Pre-amp and aptly matched phono cable, I'm sure a difference will be auditable.

Scam?
If you work within the limitations of your resources .... I don't think so.
Enjoy your obsessions.

Hi MadavidO

I returned back to vinyl about 9 years ago. Although I had continued to collect some 78s over the years, this was the first time since about 1992 since I'd had a real set up. Since my return I've bought a hand full cartridges as well as had a chance to hear some different examples in shops including owning the Music Maker III. As beautiful and detailed as it was it did not have the slam and weight I was looking for, so I sold it. Plus I needed cash at the time and a nice gentleman now happily owns it. I know for a fact that there are plenty of people on this forum that have owned more examples than my self. I also understand that in general moving coils can slightly  improve as the price climbs but here is my take.

OK for starts I am now running a Grado gold with a paratrace stylus on it that I potted with wax. Tracking, detail and realism are all top notch to me. The other two I've been bouncing between are ( Are you ready?) $60 Shure cartridges, the sc35c and the m35x. Both of these cartridges today are marketed as spin and mix DJ carts but have a professional hifi and broadcast history. Now I am using the n35x and a n44-gx stylus for lower tracking purposes. I'm also looking into a paratrace for these as well, simply because they sound very clear and balanced with an actual bass response that most of the more expensive cartridges I've owned lacked.

I have mentioned before here on this forum that I manufacture guitar pickups and grew up in the guitar building, repair and retail business.That does not necessarily make me an expert in high end home audio, nor do I mean to criticize the purchasing or quality of uber priced cartridges. The thing is with the exception of exotic stylus, quality magnets and coil wire is not that expensive. Of course there is the labor cost, but no guitar pickup manufacturer or a company like Shure who's been tooled up for years would even consider charging in the thousands for their products. Again if people want and can afford cartridges in that price range more power to them.

Just my take.
respectfully
JP:)

Get a decent Grado or Ortofon and call it good.