The eternal quandary size versus sensitivity versus quality!! Help wanted!!


So I keep going around and around and around on this, so I might as well put it on Audiogon( posted also on Audiokarma), so someone else can also go around and around( big grin)!

I am looking for speakers for my third set up. This is in a bedroom/office, Where the speakers will essentially be in the near midfield, 4 to 5 feet from speaker to seated your level. The speakers will be on a portion of the desk, one area slightly higher than the other and surrounding a 50 in 4K TV, which serves as the computer monitor.

All input will be digital: 1. MacBook Pro(Apple lossless, FLAC, Redbook and better)-using USB to 2. COS H1 (DAC-headphone amp), to 3. PP UL Audio Space 2i(uses EL84s).integrated tube,@ 12-16 Watts, Audioquest/Mogami cabling. First had old old(don't ask!!) Bose acoustimass blocks, then for the hel! Of it on Amazon-super sale (and based on reviews)bought the Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Andrew Jones speakers, and now want the best.

The Bose were as expected (😉), the Pioneers are"ok" with music: a relatively clearer and deeper bass than I expected(I am absolutely going to get another compact sub for under the desk anyway), but an imprecise mid and dull muddy highs. All the negatives in sound quality are actually accentuated when moving out of desk chair, back into a seated sweet spot 12 or so feet distance from speakers. SPL at that site is JUST adequate for my ears( with rock, not so much classical) and yet these are "fairly" sensitive speakers(Pioneer 85 db, Stereophile test 86, rated 6 ohms, tested generally greater than 10 ohms), and I would like a bit more loudness headroom.

The other issue is size, as the Pioneers are just about right, although I could fit a bit larger, but the back of speaker is wall/window constrained as to distance away and any rear port function, say max 8 inches, dependent on speaker size.

As their are no real good audio dealers near me, auditioning and store comparison is absent. I have read nearly every forum post, review and manufacturer data concerning the possible lineup of suspects that meet size criteria and trying to get a high sensitivity, generally contradictory terms! Read about (all models within manufacturer that approach criteria), including ELACs, KEFs, B&W 5in, MLs, Polk, Sonus Faber, Dynaudio, Focal, Fluance, Klipsch, Dali, Dayton, JBL, Zu, etc.. Price is important, but given size And sensitivity requirements, less so since small size more or less equals small( audiophile relative here 😉) price.

I would really like someone to say, best speaker is the.....but.......

Auditioning in house is a haste, as returns a pain, and I guess amazon is probablythe easiest for this for me(FedEx nearby).

I guess I am leaning towards:

Dali Zensor 3 SPL 87, 8.07 x 11.54 x 13.82 in

KEF Q100. 86 db , 11.8 x 7.1 x 10.7 inches ; note other KEFs too large or too insensitive

ELAC unifi b6. 85 db(Probably not sensitive enough for my needs)   , 7.87 x 10.75 x 12.75 in,;     other ELACs, same as for other KEFs

Zu Omen(4Kand Large 18 in)/cube(1k)(both high effficency!!), but absolutely need sub with cube, 12 in

I really really would value input. I like the amp and just retubed( have used the original Audio Space tubes -probably high grade select Shuguang; had RCA NOS; Psvane select; now for the he!! Of it trying Gold Lion(had good luck w these) and JJs-- please no tube discussion here!!), and do Not want to change the amp(nice size and weight). I do not really want the hassle of used speakers. Would like to stay around $2 k or less. I noted SIZE importance as well as sensitivity explanation. I noted the internet purchase, sound unheard requirement( I am also kinda disabled, sigh). So guys and gals HELP.

Thanks in advance
128x128northernescape

hi,

80% of the music is made in the first 20 wpc.



I’ve heard a fair amount of monitor speakers and found numbers actually do mean something, ie., sensitivity and impedance. Price too matters a good bit.



Around the $1600 to $2,000 arena there are literally tons of speakers to check out. If you can acquire squeakers whose imp stays fairly level and does not dip harshly, the sensitivity won’t matter as much in a smaller room.



It all comes down to taste and esthetics and as long as the electrical priorities are closely kept, all will be well, depending. Speaker makers like everyone else in the industry have pretty much figured out if you pay me X dollars you will get X level of performance…. Again, provided you match their electronic demands well. Loudness will be dictated by sensitivity and impedance will demonstrate how much of the bandwidth can be reproduced by the loudspeakers. The design of the speakers, driver size, enclosure type, etc. add up to giving you their sound or sonic signature. That is where the Devil lives. In the different sonic autograph of the build.



Nearfiled listening dissolves many inherent room and setup issues so that will help out a lot. Your critical area remains matching things electrically between amp and transducers. Online there is a graph which shows what can be expected in DB by each watt at particular distances, in a supposed ‘perfect’ world or scenario. However, subjective perception once more can tilt that balance.



Trust me, I know full well the drag it is to deal with shipping and handling of gear being quite physically challenged myself. So I get the ‘hassel’ portion of doing the Audiogon shuffle especially with speakers, but it sounds like you are fairly discerning with your sonic preffs, so despite the hassel, to truly optimize your budget, I’d suggest you bring in at least two or three makers models to check out, then once you’ve gained more assurance of what a particular makers perspective is with their designs, value, etc., go off on a pair of new ones from the squeaker maker you feel most confortable with overall.



I’d suggest what ever units you want to check out have steady Imp levels which hover around 8 ohms and whose db are at 90db or above. Less sensitive units will surely perform and yield decent loudness in a room of your size, the part that will be affected most, once all other parameters are maintained will be the bottom end.



In my 12 x 10 office a pr of reportedly 91db + units on Sound Anchor stands develop solid enough bass. But sliding in a Velodyne DD15 sub was a real game changer. Unquestionably.



Before I’d pitch $2K at something based on someone else’ opinion, I’d do a bit more in home interviewing of some pre owned squeakers. Good luck.


Great summary Blindjim and, despite the hassle in getting in several sets, I concur. If I do not like them the kids certainly would value them as a present, birthdays, holidays whatever!!

For many of the manufacturers it is sometimes difficult to obtain freq/I graphs, but I need to look around for reviewed models, and maybe limit choices based on that. Not a bad starting point I guess!

Any other thoughts are welcome!!
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yeah. low powered amps actually or 50 WPC gainclone or 100 WPC sony ta 707

audion golden night and a diy dht 6b4g. both around 10 WPC. for nearfield and a preamp with gain input, I find it just fine. but it depends how loud you listen and how close from the speakers you intend to listen