Lesson in Tube Rolling:: My confirmed need for "air on top" via 12au7 ECC82 5814a tubes


I thought that I would share something that I learned in my first 90 days of tube rolling. 

I knew and still know that I don't like harsh treble.  I thought NOS Mullard CV4003s would be perfect for me.  I realized, though, that the very quality I like about them I also do not like about them--they are laid back and mellow.  But, when I move to other tubes, e.g. RCAs, Ciftes, Amperex, GE, of the same tube equivalent I feel they may be a bit too forward.  

I don't really know much but what I know is that I need a touch of air on top.  The Ciftes and RCAs helped but if I went to a full bay of those it became too bright or top end extended.  And, just as with the Mullards, what I liked about the Ciftes and RCAs was exactly what came to tire me.  

I'm happy to find that mixing preamp tubes seems to do the trick.  If I run 2-4 Mullards with 2 Ciftes (6 preamp tubes total) in the front slots of my amp it adjusts the tone just right.  

This may not be a revelation for advanced tube rollers. It is, however, reassuring because I am able to get very much closer to the tone that I want in my mind's eye (or mind's ear), and I still hear value in the various NOS tubes that I bought. 

As an aside, these experiments worked so well that now I have faith in some reissue Mullard EL34s again and when I swap back in my Gold Lion KT88s, I may go 4/6 Mullard to chill things out a bit.  

I hope this helps other novice tube rollers.  

PS  I would like to try some NOS Brimars to see what kind of air and extension they put on top.  If I roll 4/6 tubes with Ciftes it starts to get to be too much.  
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JB, careful placement of Cleartops is key. Too many may result in brightness. Use in combination with a warm tube like the Mullard.
I look forward to hearing about your results.
Aniwolfe I have the NEC/Mullard in the 1st driver stage along with the stock PL tubes in the gain stages along with the KT77 at the moment.  I am finding its too energetic in the upper mids so I am going to roll in something else in the very back or rearmost 2 slots. I agree with your assessment on the KT77s.
Lowrider57,

I installed 2 NOS Cleartops followed by 4 NOS Mullard CV4003s.  I'm using my reissue Mullard EL34s in the power stage. 

This is a pretty nice mix.  The RCA Cleartops sound pretty rich and bombastic in the bass.  I'd swear they have a ton of punch--similar to solid state in the low end.  

I think the Mullard CV4003s are too dark to run them across the entire preamp board with 6 tubes.  

The Cleartops have a good bit of energy for sure.  With this mix, I really like them.  Maybe I'll swap in 4 just to get a good look at making an assessment of the tube.  My experience with 50s RCA tubes has been positive.  They all seem to have a tight, strong sound that is forward.  

The mixing of preamp tubes seems to get me closer to where I want to be. 
Sure, try 4 Cleartops in various positions. They do have good bass slam, and air on top. It will be interesting to see what happens when using them with the Mullard EL’s. Realize that Mullard reissues are brighter and more forward than NOS Mullards.

In my Primaluna Dialogue Premium the EL34 Mullard reissue are brighter and more forward than the stock PL power tubes but lacking in bass. The Mullard CV 4003 brought back some bass but finding the CV 4003 definitely darken up the sound. Maybe I should try some RCA Cleartops. Has anyone compared them to the Amperex (Holland) 7316? The 7316 has some energy but very detailed and expensive :(


JB this is becoming an interesting experiment ($$$) and I am enjoying reading about your findings.