Who thinks $5K speaker cable really better than generic 14AWG cable?


I recently ordered high end speaker, power amp, and preamp to be installed in couple more weeks. So the next search are interconnect and speaker cable. After challenging the dealer and 3 of my so called audiophile friends, I think the only reason I would buy expensive cable is for its appearance to match with the high end gears but not for sound performance. I personally found out that $5K cable vs $10 cable are no difference, at least not to our ears. Prior to this, I was totally believe that cable makes a difference but not after this and reading few articles online.

Here is how I found out.

After the purchase of my system, I went to another dealer to ask for cable opinion (because the original dealer doesn't carry the brand I want) and once I told him my gears, he suggested me the high end expensive cable ranging from $5 - 10K pair, depending on length. He also suggested the minimum length must be 8-12ft. If longer than 12ft, I should upgrade to even more expensive series. So I challenged him that if he can show me the difference, I would purchase all 7 AQ Redwood cables from him.

It's a blind test and I would connect 3 different cables - 1 is the Audioquest Redwood, 1 is Cardas Audio Clear, and 1 my own generic 14AWG about 7ft. Same gears, same source, same song..... he started saying the first cable sound much better, wide, deep, bla...bla...bla......and second is decently good...bla...bla...bla.. and the last one sounded crappy and bla...bla...bla... BUT THE REALITY, I NEVER CHANGED THE CABLE, its the same 14AWG cable. I didn't disclosed and move on to second test. I told him I connected audioquest redwood but actually 14AWG and he started to praise the sound quality and next one I am connected the 14awg but actually is Redwood and he started to give negative comment. WOW!!!! Just blew me right off.

I did the same test with 3 of my audiophile friends and they all have difference inputs but no one really got it right. Especially the part where I use same generic 14awg cable and they all start to give different feedback!!!

SO WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK? OR I AM THE LAST PERSON TO FIND OUT THAT EXPENSIVE CABLE JUST A RIP OFF?
sautan904

Thanks for that link, frame11…I had not seen Roger Russell’s “History of Speaker Wire” before. I didn’t need convincing but I found his closing comments revealing. He says:

“When confronted with the truth, believers do not want to hear about it. They want to remain in the magical world of fantasy where they think they can hear improvements in their wire, often arrived at by making listening tests without adequate controls or understanding of the problems involved including speaker impedance and amplifier stability. One of the prime tools in creating such a faith for the average consumer is by capitalizing on fear and ignorance as in many other things that aren’t readily apparent. There is fear that the wire currently in use is not good enough. There is ignorance because most people do not have scientific knowledge in this area and lack adequate measuring equipment to prove otherwise.”

Since those touting the increase in SQ with “expensive” cables, can, without any scientific proof, only fall back on….well…"I could hear the difference."  Hmmm….the sense of hearing proves their case? Russell takes this “sense” and flips it to a sense of sight analogy…seeing, arguably a more reliable, testable and provable sense and continues with this…which, for some reason, I find quite refreshing:

“We have been told by advertising that the exotic speaker wires offer fabulous advantages over ordinary lamp cord. It would seem reasonable that using this same wire for lamps would also enhance their performance. In the same vein as wire literature, you can have your lamp reproduce light with the full spectrum color fidelity of natural daylight, finally allowing you see light the way it should be seen and bring out the natural performance of your lamp. It could offer greater warmth, detail, brilliance, definition and speed by providing wider bandwidth and reduced skin effect. It can provide a distortion free illumination that reduces eye strain, resulting in clearer vision and optimal color perception. It can allow you to work for longer periods of time with less visual distraction or fatigue. Just imagine what it might do for your electric razor or microwave, etc.!”

Bravo, Russell!!


@dynaquest
Have you ever done a listening comparison to divergent types of wires in a highly resolving audio system?  In my 40+ years as an audiophile I can honestly say I have, including in blind tests when I had no idea what cable I was listening to and it really isn't that hard to hear a difference.  The only relevant question is... what sound do you prefer??

Hifiman: read this entire thread, my previous posts and Roger Russell’s article and you will find your question to me superfluous.
sautan904, I will not waste my time with all of the nonsense in posts here, but there is absolutely no question that the High Fidelity 'Pro' cables surpass all other cables, especially if HFCables are used with them on a decent system. Unfortunately, the 'Pro' are $35k for a 1 m pair!!!!

Yes there are cheaper ones at $1000 that I have no heard, but I have heard all the series in between. 

There is some truth to what you say, however. There are some expensive speaker wires that look great but aren't and some cheap cables that are better than others.