Pass INT-30A with Acoustic Zen Adagio


I'm currently using a Pass INT-30A with a pair of Acoustic Zen Adagio speakers.  Based on all review I've read, the reviews of both the speakers and the amp led me to believe that this would be a very smooth, musical combination.  However, I'm finding it to be rather analytical.  Good recordings sound fantastic, but any recordings that are just a hair short of spectacular come across as sounding very bad.  This is not what I was looking to get into, having only a portion of my music that I can listen to due to this problem.  

I have been racking my brain for days now trying to decide if I should switch out the amp or the speakers.  The amp does so many things so well, but so do the speakers.  I was considering a pair of LSA2 towers, since I used to own the LSA1 bookshelves and found them to be the smoothest, most musical speakers I've ever owned.  On the other hand, I could swap out the amp and go back to tubes and get that smoothness back that way.

Has anyone had experience with this amp, the speakers, or even both in combination?
jwglista
That is a very nice integrated amp. I've thought of getting one for myself. I think your instincts are correct, i.e. you might benefit from getting different speakers. I think one of the underrated speakers presently out is Silverline Prelude Pluses. Small and tall. Easy to drive (as are all Silverlines). Silverline has used Pass amps to drive their stuff at shows. Not very expensive. Check them out. There are others in that line that are also very good but they can get pricey.
Newbee thanks for the response.  I do agree that the amp is amazing.  I'm just wondering if I'm out of my element, seeing as how I was a tube guy for quite a while.  I really would like to make the amp work for me, but I've been chasing my tail for about 1.5 years now trying to find a good, musical system to just sit down and enjoy, but I haven't had much luck.  I had a good thing going, then tried to change it up, and have been making adjustments ever since.

I tend to be sensitive to hyper-detail and accented treble, which is one of the reasons I was drawn to the Pass, based on everything I read.  The Pass is definitely not forward, aggressive, or bright, but I also wouldn't quite describe it as the lushest solid state amp I've ever heard.  It can definitely sound analytical if paired incorrectly.

My preferences definitely lean towards warmth, tonality, musicality, and expression.  I really could care less about imaging, soundstage, detail retrieval, etc.  Those all come second for me; I need to be able to connect emotionally to the music, and not sit there and just listen to "sound".

Would you describe the Silverlines as having a very warm, lush sound?

"rather analytical"...

  This is exactly my impressions of this integrated with various speakers .I owned Pass in the past and got away from their line ,way too pricey for what I heard coming out,just my opinion.Im sure you can find something to pair it with but for me after thinking about what was ahead of  to much of a hassle and struggle so I opted out and went in another direction. They do have a super great customer service which I had to use more than once for service on a new amplifier.

Missioncoonery: I appreciate the response.  Glad to hear there is someone else that shares this opinion.  I was trying so hard to figure out if it was my speakers or amp, but I have heard a few other amps with the Adagios, and I did have them sounding pretty decent at one point.  It really is a shame because the Pass is such a quite, well-posed, dynamic amplifier without any sort of grain or hash in the treble.  I don't think I've ever heard strings produced so nicely and accurately.  If the presentation was less on the analytical side, this would have been it for me.

What speakers did you try with the Pass amp?
Depends on which model you select I suppose, they are all voiced differently. But except for the late model Sonata which was a 'bit hot' they are fairly balanced with a warm(er) upper-bass midrange.  On older model Preludes (or other models) you might want to be careful of ones that have metal tweeters, and you will note that the Prelude Pluses have nothing in common with the earlier Preludes at all. They have also gotten excellent reviews.

A confession first. I was thinking about the Pass 30.5 integrated, not the earlier model. That said, I will also admit that what has kept me back from buying one is that I really do prefer tubes, not just the the good things that they can bring that is hard to get with SS but also the ability to tailor the sound to match speakers and other components in the system by just changing tubes.. 

I share your priorities, especially after having spent many years chasing the affordable audiophile dream as set forth by the magazines/ reviewers etc without finding anything that really fit. I then stumbled onto the Silverline Bolero's when you could get them at a more reasonable price. And they do it all for me. The have all Dynaudio drivers including Esotar tweeters (which really are a BIG deal). If you have a large room the LaFolia speakers might do well for you and are occasionally available at reasonable prices. They share many of the same drivers with the Boleros but do have back firing woofers that can be a drawback if not considered. Some of the Sonnetina's are also excellent as well. Fortunately there are quite a few reviews and threads on these speakers to help.

At the time I auditioned the Boleros at Silverline's shop I also listened to the small Minuets (stacked) driven by an inexpensive SS amp and unimpressive CD player. I dammed near bought them instead of the Bolero's, they were that good. 

FWIW the Silverlines are all designed by Alan Yun, one of the premier speaker designers in the business who, interestingly, is not a slave to some 'industry standard'. He has a really good ear, I think.

Hope that helps a bit. Oh, FWIW, if I were starting over today, I would get the Prelude Pluses and a good integrated tube amp and wait for the rare occasion that a pair of Boleros came up on the used market! :-)