Ref-75-SE delivered ...


It arrived late yesterday via UPS. I had company over last night so I didn't hook it up 'till this morning. I had it playing by 7:30.

I sold the REF-75 early last month and was using my spare, which is a great sounding ARC- Classic 60. Man, if someone is looking for a musical amp at a reasonable price, the CL-60 would be a good way to go. It kind of has that vintage tube sound. Listening to music through it, is kind of like watching a good Technicolor movie. Hey, who doesn't like watching the original version of The Wizard of Oz? Its not right, but its beautiful. I mean, when you walk outside, Technicolor doesn't hit you in the face ... reality does.

Which brings me to the REF-75 and the REF-75 SE.

I bought my original REF-75 over two years ago, brand new, with KT120 tubes. What struck me about that amp was the lack of grain, the soundstage and the tonality. It played big and it played beautifully. That's what I thought until I swapped out the KT120's for a new quad of KT150's. Now that brought the amp up to a new level. Audio nirvana, I thought. Hummph, silly me.

Enter the REF-75 SE.

Fist thing, I let it cook for about a half hour in order to get the amp to stablize so I could check the bias. Good thing too because both sides needed biasing. The right channel was all way over to the "Caution" level.

Upon initial listening, I was really taken by how quiet this amp is ... I mean QUIET!! Not digital quiet, that kind of quiet just sounds totally artificial to me. What I mean is ... its a natural quietness unlike any tube amp I've ever heard.

For the first two hours, it was better than the REF-75 it replaced by maybe 20% or so. At the two hour mark, things really started to open up. Here's what my notes say:

Quiet!
Articulate.
Dynamic.
Decay of notes.
Presense.
Fast.
Leading edge of notes.
Weight in the lower registers of the piano.
Sustained notes - has me hanging on a thread.

So how does this play out when listening to music?

Like most of us, I have a little section of records (among thousands) that I use for reference purposes. They are the ones I listen to first when evaluating new equipment. I know every nuance of these records. Listened to them hundreds of time.

First up - Sue Raney on the Discovery label. The SE allowed me to hear the volume of air, and the force and reduction of force that was coming out of Sue Reney's chest and up through her throat. On the third cut, there is a triangle that the percussionist delicately hits. With all previous amps, I thought there was just one triangle. Turns out, there are three. For the first time, I could hear the slight difference in the notes. That was hidden before.

Second up- Sammy Davis Jr. Sings. Laurindo Almedia Plays. Reprise RS-6236.
Again, like the Sue Raney album, the air coming out of Sammy's chest and across his vocal chords and all of the subtlety of that was in his total control. Then, I realized that all of the really great singers do this and that's why they have the great instruments they do.
The guitar work being done here by Almedia is superb. Not my favorite guitarist, but on this album his playing grabs you by the emotions. BUT, through this amp ... a different world. The leading edge of the notes and the subtle decay of those notes make this album extra special now.

Keep in mind that we are only two hours in on this new amp at this point. The sound stage is still constricted and the 3-D imaging is on a par with the Classic 60, and not as good as the old REF-3.

Over the course of the day, I continued listening for a couple of hours each time. The more time that passed, the better the amp got.

Next Album .. about 4 hours in: The Norman Luboff Choir .. "But Beautiful" Columbia CS-8114. This is a demo quality record that has a tremendously wide sound stage. Its fun. The chorus is spread behind the speakers and goes from wall to wall. And now, I'm getting a 3-D image like never before. The articulation in each chorus member's voice has never sounded better ... not even close. There is a female soloist named Betty Mulliner who has her place behind and just to the left of the right speaker. With all other amps I've had, she has sounded diffused. The original REF-75 brought her out of the mist ... but not like the new SE. Now, she is in total focus and its like I can see her head move and hear her lips smack. I can get a true sense of her personality. Same thing on every vocal record I played today. Get this album if you like beautiful classic pop music from the 40's and 50's

Next: John Williams Paganni:Guitar trio - Hayden: Guitar Quartet. Columbia MS 7163. Again, this is a sound stage spectacular. I love this album, not just because I'm a classical guitar freak, but because its a great test of equipment when looking for correct tonality. Like the once vague female soloist in the last album, there is a cello in the right rear of the sound stage that keeps getting more refined as my system improves. With the REF-75SE .. gone is the vagueness. All of it. That cello is now in the room, tonally correct, and very moving. And John Williams? For the first time, I heard the strings of his guitar vibrate. The decay of the notes seemed to last forever. How may accolades can I pile onto Mr. Perfection on the classical guitar? Buy this album, you won't regret it.

Finally a mono record to die for: Dave Brubeck's Jazz Impressions of The USA." This record never came out in stereo. Near as I can tell reading the liner notes, it was recorded sometime in '55 or early '56. This is Paul Desmond at his very best. Not as hard boppin' as the Oberlan College album ... but man 'O man ... the second cut "Summer Song" has Paul Desmond right there in the room. Its never sounded better than today.

So, that kind of gives you guys a hint of what was going on at my place today. The amp burned in for 12 hours, and toward the end the sound stage has filled out nicely, dynamics are startling, musicians were in 3-D relief, and most importantly to me, the instruments all sounded tonally correct.

My source tells me that at this point, the amp is only scratching the surface. He says ... wait until 200 hours has gone by before seriously writing any review of the new amp. I couldn't wait ... its that good. Bottom line for all ARC REF amp owners ... even at this early stage, I can honestly say... the SE kills the old amp. Go for the upgrade.
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Come to that Schubert, they pay 5 to $10000, extra for a Passat than a Skoda Superb. Same VW group, bigger, better made IMHO, just made on Czeckoslakia. I do'nt know if they are imported to the US, but my Superb is better engineered and put together than the Mercedes C class I had before.

Getting back to costs of HiFi, compared to the 70's, it is a hand made cottage industry now. Even companies like ARC, are in no way, shifting the units they were 30 years ago. So R and D, marketing, construction etc are loaded onto far fewer units made. Your classic loss of economies of scale. Even accepting that, costs do seem to be rising very fast indeed. A top of the range power amp might cost $5 to 7000, 7 to 10 years ago, now $20000 seems to be an accepted norm for a good single chassis amp and over $100,000 not unusual, to rich for me.
True David.
In Germany a VW is a "classless" car, ever the very rich drive them and that's the reason most average folk still buy VW,
even though a Skoda w is what you say it is.
And no, VW will never bring Skoda to USA to compete with itself.
Just a quick comment on the rising prices. Has the price of the equipment gone up ... or has the value of the money gone down? Has anyone checked out the price of beef lately?

Look, in 1965, I had a brand new house in Huntington Beach that I paid $20,650 for. Gasoline was 27 cents per gallon. Milk was 25 cents a quart and a steak & egg breakfast at Norm's restaurant was $1.29.

The monetary system isn't tied to anything anymore, so as long as the government's "printing press" is allowed to run with abandon, we can count on prices continuing to rise. Its called "inflation," the most evil type of tax in existence. It punishes those on fixed incomes, the poor and it robs savings. Until people wake up and demand that the money system be put back into the hands of the citizen again, we are screwed. The thing to remember is, fiat money is the money of slaves. Gold is the money of a free man.

Here's an essay written by Alan Greenspan in 1966 that explains it in detail:

http://www.constitution.org/mon/greenspan_gold.htm

So, there's my political rant for the day. I hope you young whippersnappers read it and work for change. :>)
04-07-15: Wolf_garcia
I'll reiterate for the record...a price is "stupidly high" if the item's performance or parts value or manufacturing cost isn't close to 5 or 10 times more "actually" valuable than something well made but less expensive. Plenty of wiggle room here, but my guitar amp analogy was missed I think...a hand made guitar amp with custom transformers in a well made hand crafted box of expensive void free plywood often with a great speaker included (in the case of "combo" amps), that's not made overseas (although I don't mind that) may cost 2 grand or so at the high end...compared to an ARC power amp with tubes in a folded metal case...some meters maybe...whatever...for 10 thousand clams...a mystery to me only maybe...but a mystery just the same.
Well, either companies are pricing themselves out of business or majority of consumers have more disposable income then you.

If you want something, work to improve your economical situation instead of complaining of high prices and how big bad companies are ripping you off. It's NEVER personal responsibilities but how somebody, company ... is ripping you off. Sad!
David 12, you make a good point. I bought my ARC vt-100mklll in 2002 and I paid 6000.00 for it. If I wanted to upgrade to a Ref-150 I would have to spend 13k on it and possibly more if they are only offering the SE model at this time. I would love to upgrade but I can't see dropping 10 large after I sell my amp.