Pick your poison...2-channel or multi?

McGrogan,

When you admit to not being able to setup your surround system properly nor having it work for months, it is a bit disingenuous to blame surround sound for this issue.

The fact you couldn't get your center speaker to blend is not surround sounds fault nor is it indicative of surround sound.

What it characterizes is poor setup or simply the speaker you chose for a center channel was poorly designed or matched to your left and right speaker.

I hope after all these discussion you don't think my surround system sounded anything like yours? When you take the time to research and buy appropriate speakers and get your center channel to blend such that your three speakers image better than two speakers. Then you are on my level, until you do that...something very possible, Then you're making progress toward what one of my systems sound like.

Perfect image...I have had hundreds of people listen and agree.

Do it on your HT, it only makes the movies that much better.

When you admit to not being able to setup your surround system properly nor having it work for months, it is a bit disingenuous to blame surround sound for this issue.

Edwards,

I think you are reffering to the problems I had with a MSB modified PAV. It was junk, well actually MSB made it junk. It wasn't that I don't know how to set up a system, MSB f#@*ed up my PAV. Setting up surround is much easier than setting up a turntable.
I also owned a Classe SSP-30 and a Anthem AVM-20, both stock, they worked fine for SSP, but when I put a Classe CP-60 stereo preamp in my system it was all over. No SSP came close to the tonal harmonic structure. I gave up on SSP's for music and went back to two channel. I've since heard other surround systems at friend's home's and audio salon's, nothing that makes me want to listen though.

I'm sure that no one knows how to properly set up a surround system but you though, so these would all be invalid. You should go into business for yourself. I'm sure all of us idiots would throw out our multi-kilo turntables and seperates and gladly hand you $10K+ to show us how music really sounds. ;^`

FWIW, most folks are stunned when they hear my system also. They think Bose and surround sound is what music is all about.

So folks like your system, folks like my system, and there we have today's update.

McGrogan,

I have a multi-kilobuck turntable, I was in business and there are hundreds of people who felt like you...and now they don't. All I tell you has been tested quite thoroughly on the general audiophile public.

What I am trying to impress upon you but you're are fighting me all the way, is you can't bring down surround because some bad limited experience and the direct experience you have is badly flawed by poor equipment choices and expecting a digital product to work like an analog one. C'mon man, you make these smart comments demeaning the rest of us and our equipment, and you haven't

Your determination of superiority of the CP-60 to the Anthem for example, was of course running an analog source through the units? Who does that an expects similar results? Do you actually equate a $2500 prepro with all its functionality to a simple analog $2000 preamplifier....don't you think that's a bit unfair? Aren't we overlooking the CD player in the cost of the analog pre's performance?

Wasn't it a VK5D? so that's like $5K, so what $7000 prepro did you listen too and compare? Because you don't need an expensive cd player at your price point when you have a prepro to be your DAC.

This is a little anecdote that I think will be of interest to you.

In an 18 month period the store I worked at sold 65 Meridian 568's, only about half of them for theater first installations.

In that same period we sold 1 VK5se, 4 VK3, 1 VK5 (demo) and 1 CP60 demo and 2 SSP30's.

The people voted with their wallets, and our store was very high end. www.jsaudio.com